Space Marines Army fluff

[Lord_Halrian]

Im posting this here because whilst its a renegade chapter , its not a chaos force, as well as it uses codex Space marines. Comments welcome. please be nice this is my first post.

 

 

 

<edit> this is a work in progress>

 

 

 

A Space Marine Chapter Who’s Views Differ from The overall Imperium’s And there Brother space marines. And threw these differences is born the rogue Chapter The Fire Drakes.

 

Branded as heretics by the Imperium and the Ordo Hereticus, And renegades by there brother space marines. The beliefs that have lead to this out come, are one of compassion, honor, liberty, And a sense that life means something, as well as the righteousness of ones spirit. Which differs greatly from the Imperium’s view that Humanity is nothing but numbers and canon footer. But there Differs something that almost no other renegade chapter has an unshakable faith in the emperor and his vision of what the Imperium should have been, not one in which the High lords of terra have made it.

 

These Views have made them many Allies and Several enemies. Once the Fire Drakes were a Space borne Chapter, whilst they still are, The have found a permanent place to call home from which they recruit from and gain supplies. Sub sector Grutous A place on the border of of Tau Space and on the very outer edges of the galaxy and the Imperium’s grasp. The primary Worlds of this sector call the Fire Drakes allies, Master and sovereign.

There primary base whilst under operations is there Fleet based fortress monastery, a modified style of the Ramilies Class Starfort. And whilst there number are much smaller now They are still very effective. The primary System in Sub sector Grutous is the Jelcarn System, which lies Grutous Alpha a thought to be lost Adeptus Mechanicus type L forge world and research facility. Many blood oaths and loyalty pacts have made them a perment Ally of the Fire Drakes. The Mechanicus here Researched Space Marines technology including Gene-seed and long studied long lost plasma technology. With this knowledge they have been able to supply most of the weapons and New ships as well as a slow supply Gene-seed, so they might one day rebuild there numbers faster.

[Odin Ravenwing]

I like your overall idea. Obviously you haven't given out every grain of sand detail.

 

However, to give some thoughts that come to mind in terms of concern and such. Mainly in terms of fluff my concern is with the Forge World. Granted don't know much about forge worlds, but how has your forge world come up with gene-seed samples? Correct me if I am wrong but I thought those were only kept at a select few facilities and granted a limited supply to a chapter upon creation.

 

My next interest/concern is conversions on the table top for these "Lost Plasma Techs". Really interested in seeing anything you got done or plan on doing.

 

BTW one of my in progress DIY isn't to far from you out in the eastern fringes past tau space. *Waves and greetings from the Sons of Aquosus (AKA Sea Drakes).

[Ace Debonair]

Im posting this here because whilst its a renegade chapter , its not a chaos force, as well as it uses codex Space marines. Comments welcome. please be nice this is my first post.

I'll do my best, but I make no promises. :P

 

Branded as heretics by the Imperium and the Ordo Hereticus, And renegades by there brother space marines. The beliefs that have lead to this out come, are one of compassion, honor, liberty, And a sense that life means something, as well as the righteousness of ones spirit. Which differs greatly from the Imperium’s view that Humanity is nothing but numbers and canon footer. But there Differs something that almost no other renegade chapter has an unshakable faith in the emperor and his vision of what the Imperium should have been, not one in which the High lords of terra have made it.

 

Actually, that's a pretty popular theme in DIY renegades - 'faith in the Emperor, not the Imperium'. Now, that's not to say you shouldn't go down that path, if you like. It's certainly an interesting basis for a chapter.

 

These Views have made them many Allies and Several enemies. Once the Fire Drakes were a Space borne Chapter, whilst they still are, The have found a permanent place to call home from which they recruit from and gain supplies. Sub sector Grutous A place on the border of of Tau Space and on the very outer edges of the galaxy and the Imperium’s grasp. The primary Worlds of this sector call the Fire Drakes allies, Master and sovereign.

Interesting. I assume you mean human allies, rather than allying with Tau or other xeno forces - or at least I hope so. :P

 

There primary base whilst under operations is there Fleet based fortress monastery, a modified style of the Ramilies Class Starfort. And whilst there number are much smaller now They are still very effective. The primary System in Sub sector Grutous is the Jelcarn System, which lies Grutous Alpha a thought to be lost Adeptus Mechanicus type L forge world and research facility. Many blood oaths and loyalty pacts have made them a perment Ally of the Fire Drakes. The Mechanicus here Researched Space Marines technology including Gene-seed and long studied long lost plasma technology. With this knowledge they have been able to supply most of the weapons and New ships as well as a slow supply Gene-seed, so they might one day rebuild there numbers faster.

I have to echo the doubt that a forgeworld would have geneseed; or that a lost one wouldn't have AdMech forces coming to look for it.

 

Generally speaking, it'd be better to push these guys to the edge of survival - limiting their geneseed supplies and forcing them to recruit slowly. As well as having limited equipment (which might eventually force them to rely on tech-heresy and use unordained weaponry - which on the whole shouldn't be as good/reliable as standard gear.)

 

Anyway, not a bad start. I look forward to seeing this idea developed. :)

 

EDIT: Blasted typos! The machine spirit in my keyboard must be grouchy. ^_^

[Lodovico]

These Views have made them many Allies and Several enemies. Once the Fire Drakes were a Space borne Chapter, whilst they still are, The have found a permanent place to call home from which they recruit from and gain supplies. Sub sector Grutous A place on the border of of Tau Space and on the very outer edges of the galaxy and the Imperium’s grasp. The primary Worlds of this sector call the Fire Drakes allies, Master and sovereign.

Interesting. I assume you mean human allies, rather than allying with Tau or other xeno forces - or at least I hope so. :)

Would there be a possibility of the two working together to repel Tyranids, Orks, Necorns, and whoever else there are from time to time? That meaning his chapter could more readily ally with the Tau but not view them as allies in terms of economic trade and all that. Just on the battlefield in Cain's point of view, Ie. giving the enemy someone else to shoot other than me. (Or at least something like that :) ).

 

Generally speaking, it'd be better to push these guys to the edge of survival - limiting their geneseed supplies and forcing them to recruit slowly. As well as having limited equipment (which might eventually force them to rely on tech-heresy and use unordained weaponry - which on the whole shouldn't be as good/reliable as standard gear.)

Don't have much to say in terms of geneseed but he mentions that the chapter has a fair number of allies. I think this could come in handy in a different way. Their allies supply the chapter with equipment or if there are other chapters that support them (I'll assume that some do), then could there be a possibility where those chapters supply the Fire Drakes with different types of material? Say for instance Chapter B loans a bunch of their serfs to help speed the process of rebuilding the chapter's equipment. Chapter H on the other hand decides they have a lot of initiates and send over 3-5 squads to be incorporated as bonafied Fire Drakes while Chapter U loans out some of their marines that crew their preds/speeders/rhinos (or whoever does the job) for an allotted amount of time.

[Ace Debonair]

Generally speaking, it'd be better to push these guys to the edge of survival - limiting their geneseed supplies and forcing them to recruit slowly. As well as having limited equipment (which might eventually force them to rely on tech-heresy and use unordained weaponry - which on the whole shouldn't be as good/reliable as standard gear.)

Don't have much to say in terms of geneseed but he mentions that the chapter has a fair number of allies. I think this could come in handy in a different way. Their allies supply the chapter with equipment or if there are other chapters that support them (I'll assume that some do), then could there be a possibility where those chapters supply the Fire Drakes with different types of material? Say for instance Chapter B loans a bunch of their serfs to help speed the process of rebuilding the chapter's equipment. Chapter H on the other hand decides they have a lot of initiates and send over 3-5 squads to be incorporated as bonafied Fire Drakes while Chapter U loans out some of their marines that crew their preds/speeders/rhinos (or whoever does the job) for an allotted amount of time.

 

Hold up. If they're renegades, then other chapters will be hunting them down, not helping them.

And it's pretty unlikely that the AdMech or anyone else will get away with smuggling them supplies over any length of time.

 

The thing that's awesome about renegades is that they have to go it alone.

I mean, they'd still hate the alien and the heretic, so that cuts numbers of allies down pretty drastically, right? :P

[Lodovico]

Hold up. If they're renegades, then other chapters will be hunting them down, not helping them.

And it's pretty unlikely that the AdMech or anyone else will get away with smuggling them supplies over any length of time.

Other chapters most will probably be ordered to hunt them down (or take it upon themselves) but I still think some would probably... what's the word.... sympathize with the Fire Drakes to some degree. I can't see why there wouldn't be a possibility of something of the sort happening. Though I find it hard to argue against the second point, I'd say for a brief period of time... maybe :tu:.

 

 

 

The thing that's awesome about renegades is that they have to go it alone.

I mean, they'd still hate the alien and the heretic, so that cuts numbers of allies down pretty drastically, right? :P

I whole heartily agree about the lone wolf thing, that is pretty cool. As for fighting aliens and heretics.... would a chapter like his understand why some humans would rather ally with the Tau because they are at odds with how the Imperium runs things?

[Ace Debonair]

Hold up. If they\'re renegades, then other chapters will be hunting them down, not helping them.

And it\'s pretty unlikely that the AdMech or anyone else will get away with smuggling them supplies over any length of time.

Other chapters most will probably be ordered to hunt them down (or take it upon themselves) but I still think some would probably... what\'s the word.... sympathize with the Fire Drakes to some degree. I can\'t see why there wouldn\'t be a possibility of something of the sort happening. Though I find it hard to argue against the second point, I\'d say for a brief period of time... maybe :tu:.

 

True. Probably.

A lot of loyalist chapters would just lump them in with all the other heretics. In fact, all of them would, but a minority of them might feel the occasional pang of guilt about it.

 

Just not enough to stop them from hunting them down to the last man. ;)

The thing that\'s awesome about renegades is that they have to go it alone.

I mean, they\'d still hate the alien and the heretic, so that cuts numbers of allies down pretty drastically, right? :P

I whole heartily agree about the lone wolf thing, that is pretty cool. As for fighting aliens and heretics.... would a chapter like his understand why some humans would rather ally with the Tau because they are at odds with how the Imperium runs things?

 

Depends on the chapter.

Your renegade purists, generally, frown very much on that sort of thing. Your renegade pragmatists, not always so much. But that doesn\'t really lead onto allying with the Tau/Eldar/other themselves, except for convenicence sake in the middle of fighting off a bigger threat.

 

The best way to have a like of the Tau in a space marine chapter is to be across the galaxy from them so you don't have to kill them. ^_^

 

EDIT: Blasted typos and dodgy formatting. :D

[Lodovico]

Ah... I surrender my points... for now :ermm: ....

 

Guess we'll wait to see what ole Lord Halrian puts up.

 

And yeah for a moment I thought I was really bad at typing (glad it's some software issue :P )

[Odin Ravenwing]

I don't think it would be to off the wall for a renegade chapter to ally with Tau. After all their motto is "For the Greater Good." Specially if the Chapter recruits some Guardsmen that either serve with Tau or once served with the tau. It could be an eventual absorbtion of beliefs.

[Ace Debonair]

I don't think it would be to off the wall for a renegade chapter to ally with Tau. After all their motto is "For the Greater Good." Specially if the Chapter recruits some Guardsmen that either serve with Tau or once served with the tau. It could be an eventual absorbtion of beliefs.

Only space marines recruit children aged 10-16 or thereabouts, rather than guardsmen. :P

 

Allying for one fight out of a hundred, sure. Games Workshop have done worse things.

Allying full-time, though... that would present problems. ;)

[The Normish]

I don't think it would be to off the wall for a renegade chapter to ally with Tau. After all their motto is "For the Greater Good." Specially if the Chapter recruits some Guardsmen that either serve with Tau or once served with the tau. It could be an eventual absorbtion of beliefs.

Only space marines recruit children aged 10-16 or thereabouts, rather than guardsmen. :lol:

 

Allying for one fight out of a hundred, sure. Games Workshop have done worse things.

Allying full-time, though... that would present problems. :P

Inquisitorial Purge comes to mind...

 

As for recruiting Guardsmen, it could be possible if the Guardsmen were recruited young. I'm sure not all world in the Imperium make sure you're eighteen before pressing them into the defense of the Emperor's realm. Also, aren't there two methods for making a Space Marine? Genetic conditioning from a young age (traditional) and the implants/bionics route that allowed all those Knights from Caliban of joining the Dark Angels? In that way, you could have Marines recruited after they pass adolescence. I'm not sure about that last one though, perhaps the art has been lost, or forbidden since the Great Crusade.

[Leonaides]

Think that route has been lost - the only way to make marines at the moment means that they have to be recruited before they pass through puberty... Its probably rather unlikely that a world willl provide enough Guradsmen (supposed to be the best soldiers from the planet, by the way, not just any old schmuck who can hold a lasgun) at a young enough age that there would be enough for them to provide a great enough number of successful recruits to a chapter that over time they'd change the whole chapters beliefs. Maybe the odd one or two, but they would be the very odd occasion.

[Odin Ravenwing]

I didn't realize their was an age range requirment on recruiting. I could have sworn, at least in the first space wolf novel, that there were older men in the recruits.

[Lodovico]

Could it be possible then, to recruit young, have them gain combat experience with the guard until they're about... oh say 16 years of age and then give the promising one the marine "upgrades"?

[The Normish]

Could it be possible then, to recruit young, have them gain combat experience with the guard until they're about... oh say 16 years of age and then give the promising one the marine "upgrades"?

Sort of fuse Scout training with Guard training? could work, but the implants would have to start earlier than that. So they'd be better than your average guardsman.

[Lodovico]

Could it be possible then, to recruit young, have them gain combat experience with the guard until they're about... oh say 16 years of age and then give the promising one the marine "upgrades"?

Sort of fuse Scout training with Guard training?

Something like that.

 

could work, but the implants would have to start earlier than that. So they'd be better than your average guardsman.

I didn't have that in mind exactly.... Need to do some more brushing up on my marine creation fluff.

[PorridgeMeister]

Just a quick point;

May I just ask why they are called the Fire Drakes? That is the name of the Salamander's First Company; do you realise that?

[Firenze]

At the moment this chapter is beginning to remind me of the Soul Drinkers. Yet with allies.

 

The chapter is stationed in, lets say, a volatile zone where many other marine chapters operate. Have they come under fire yet from former brothers?

 

The forge world I would say is unlikely. Forge Worlds don't become 'lost' without a good reason.

[Shinzaren]

Firstly, welcome to the Liber. Sorry if I came late to the party. Apologies again if this seems harsh. I'm a bigger fan of the stick than the carrot. That said, I'll take a look and see what I can find.

 

 

A Space Marine Chapter Who’s Views Differ from The overall Imperium’s And there Brother space marines. And threw these differences is born the rogue Chapter The Fire Drakes

Learn the difference between through and threw. Secondly, Fire Drakes is the name of the Salamander's veteran first company. Not sure if you were aware of that or not.

 

Branded as heretics by the Imperium and the Ordo Hereticus

At least you used the right friggin Ordo. :P Everyone and their mother tries to use Malleus for this! Good job!

 

And renegades by there brother space marines.

Learn the difference between there, their, and they're.

 

The beliefs that have lead to this out come, are one of compassion, honor, liberty, And a sense that life means something, as well as the righteousness of ones spirit.

This wouldn't be enough to enough to drive against the Imperium as a whole. The aforementioned Salamanders chapter shares this view. As an autonomous organization within the Imperium, you can believe pretty much whatever you want as long as you fight the enemies of Man.

 

Which differs greatly from the Imperium’s view that Humanity is nothing but numbers and canon footer. But there Differs something that almost no other renegade chapter has an unshakable faith in the emperor and his vision of what the Imperium should have been, not one in which the High lords of terra have made it.

That's a pretty dangerous view. You are basically saying that you know the will of the Emperor. Dangerous indeed.

 

Once the Fire Drakes were a Space borne Chapter, whilst they still are, The have found a permanent place to call home from which they recruit from and gain supplies. Sub sector Grutous

If they are declared renegade, some Chapter will be sent to hunt them down, kill off their chapter, and destroy their homeworld. The Imperium doesn't like it's enemies taking up planets in their galaxy.

 

There primary base whilst under operations is there Fleet based fortress monastery, a modified style of the Ramilies Class Starfort.

Where did they get it? Chapters with star forts and star bases are usually given them to defend and watch over by the HLoT, or they earned them in mighty battle. The last option is that they had them since their founding, like the Imperial Fists and the Dark Angels. However, those are both Chapters of Legend and I doubt that any non-First Founding chapter would have one. Perhaps explain where yours came from.

 

And whilst there number are much smaller now They are still very effective. The primary System in Sub sector Grutous is the Jelcarn System, which lies Grutous Alpha a thought to be lost Adeptus Mechanicus type L forge world and research facility.

How do you lose a Forge World? If there are still tech-priests and adepts of Mars on the planet, why would they swear blood oaths with the Fire Drakes, but not contact Mars? The nature of the AdMech means that they are all about working alone. They would not ally with you, but remain disconnected from the rest of their mechanical brotherhood.

 

The Mechanicus here Researched Space Marines technology including Gene-seed and long studied long lost plasma technology.

Plasma weapons, Gene-seed, and ship building? How convenient. Deus Ex Forgeworld. Each Forgeworld tends to specialize in one unique area, like Plasma Weapons. Or Gene-seed, or Ships. I doubt this Forgeworld somehow managed to do it all. And if they were researching gene-seed, I doubt it all came from the Fire Drakes, which means that some other chapters are gonna be real, real peeved to find out that the Fire Drakes are using gene-seed that isn't theirs.

 

With this knowledge they have been able to supply most of the weapons and New ships as well as a slow supply Gene-seed, so they might one day rebuild there numbers faster.

Again, AdMech probably wouldn't work with you if you are renegade. In trying to defy the stereotype of renegades being ill-supplied and lacking in material, you have created more problems for you then you are solving.

 

Still, problems aside, this is a unique idea, and I look forward to seeing more on your "Renegades"