Am I losing my marbles?

[Momento Mori]

Hi all,

 

newcomer to the Sons of Russ... I have a question. The issue of WD that came out toward the end of last year (with all the new SW goodies in it) had an article on making your SW minis look individual with the nice new sparkly box sets that had been released. I was very taken by one picture of a mini (a Terminator, I believe) that was wielding 2 power weapons. Now I thought this looked ace, and thought that I should definitely have one mini like this in my force.

 

Looking at the entries in the codex, though, I can't seem to find this as an 'legal' option. Was I missing something, or did the WD crew slip up?

 

Sorry if this is a repeat question, I did do a cursory search and couldn't find this topic.

 

Thanks in advance for any clarification!

 

MM

[DV8]

Both characters and Wolf Guard units capable of fielding large numbers of such "rare" weapons have the option to replace their Bolt Pistol and/or Chainsword with...

 

The key wording is the and/or, meaning you can swap either, or both, of your default weapons for any of the gear listed below. They do this so they don't need to list the same table twice.

 

 

DV8

[Momento Mori]

Ah! ok, I see that now, as it was a little confusing, thanks for the clarification. Hehe.

[WolfScout86]

I still have said article and also love the model which if I remember right is a lonewolf in TDA with a power weapon and frost/axe blade, its a configuration that is not legal I believe

[Momento Mori]

I still have said article and also love the model which if I remember right is a lonewolf in TDA with a power weapon and frost/axe blade, its a configuration that is not legal I believe

 

That'd be the fella! I'm at work now, so I can't refer to my codex, and thats what I initially thought when I read the codex entry.

 

The plot thickens! :)

[Sarapham]

I still have said article and also love the model which if I remember right is a lonewolf in TDA with a power weapon and frost/axe blade, its a configuration that is not legal I believe

 

That'd be the fella! I'm at work now, so I can't refer to my codex, and thats what I initially thought when I read the codex entry.

 

The plot thickens! :woot:

 

It is perfectly legal to do so, however it is also very needless since you can call one of the weapons a regular close-combat weapon instead, having the same effect but the close combat weapon is free.

[warsmith]

I still have said article and also love the model which if I remember right is a lonewolf in TDA with a power weapon and frost/axe blade, its a configuration that is not legal I believe

 

That'd be the fella! I'm at work now, so I can't refer to my codex, and thats what I initially thought when I read the codex entry.

 

The plot thickens! :tu:

 

It is perfectly legal to do so, however it is also very needless since you can call one of the weapons a regular close-combat weapon instead, having the same effect but the close combat weapon is free.

 

But surely when you upgrade to Terminator armour you replace your original kit with a storm bolter, pwer weapon and terminator armour? That means that the only option is to upgrade the storm bolter to another weapon.

 

If there is a way to keep standard close combat weapons whilst in terminator armour \i'm interested in knowing how, because i want a twin ccw terminator lonewolf with mark of the wulfen

[CainTheHunter]

If there is a way to keep standard close combat weapons whilst in terminator armour \i'm interested in knowing how, because i want a twin ccw terminator lonewolf with mark of the wulfen

 

Why??? MotW Lone wolves are much better in PA than TDA. If in doubt, give him Storm shield.

[warsmith]

If there is a way to keep standard close combat weapons whilst in terminator armour \i'm interested in knowing how, because i want a twin ccw terminator lonewolf with mark of the wulfen

 

Why??? MotW Lone wolves are much better in PA than TDA. If in doubt, give him Storm shield.

 

Be that as it may, I'm planning on a fullt TDA force and also not having any model armed the same another. The idea of a MOTW TDA lonewolf appeals, but its not strictly possible and I'm not keen on the idea of lonewolves with ranged weaapons so the storm bolter is out.

[dswanick]

If there is a way to keep standard close combat weapons whilst in terminator armour \i'm interested in knowing how, because i want a twin ccw terminator lonewolf with mark of the wulfen

 

Why??? MotW Lone wolves are much better in PA than TDA. If in doubt, give him Storm shield.

 

Be that as it may, I'm planning on a fullt TDA force and also not having any model armed the same another. The idea of a MOTW TDA lonewolf appeals, but its not strictly possible and I'm not keen on the idea of lonewolves with ranged weaapons so the storm bolter is out.

Why do you believe a MotW TDA Lone Wolf is not possible?

[warsmith]

If there is a way to keep standard close combat weapons whilst in terminator armour \i'm interested in knowing how, because i want a twin ccw terminator lonewolf with mark of the wulfen

 

Why??? MotW Lone wolves are much better in PA than TDA. If in doubt, give him Storm shield.

 

Be that as it may, I'm planning on a fullt TDA force and also not having any model armed the same another. The idea of a MOTW TDA lonewolf appeals, but its not strictly possible and I'm not keen on the idea of lonewolves with ranged weaapons so the storm bolter is out.

Why do you believe a MotW TDA Lone Wolf is not possible?

 

Its not that I dont believe its possible, its just that in my mind its pointless being as I have a ranged weapon and a power weapon that i wont be using. Plus, to many members of the local group are far to strict on WYSIWYG so I have to put the correct weapons on even when its pointless.....I'd much rather just have a lonewolf terminator armed with 2 chain weapons, but I cant for WYSISYG reasons.

[dswanick]

If there is a way to keep standard close combat weapons whilst in terminator armour \i'm interested in knowing how, because i want a twin ccw terminator lonewolf with mark of the wulfen

 

Why??? MotW Lone wolves are much better in PA than TDA. If in doubt, give him Storm shield.

 

Be that as it may, I'm planning on a fullt TDA force and also not having any model armed the same another. The idea of a MOTW TDA lonewolf appeals, but its not strictly possible and I'm not keen on the idea of lonewolves with ranged weaapons so the storm bolter is out.

Why do you believe a MotW TDA Lone Wolf is not possible?

 

Its not that I dont believe its possible, its just that in my mind its pointless being as I have a ranged weapon and a power weapon that i wont be using. Plus, to many members of the local group are far to strict on WYSIWYG so I have to put the correct weapons on even when its pointless.....I'd much rather just have a lonewolf terminator armed with 2 chain weapons, but I cant for WYSISYG reasons.

While I'm not going to debate the related worth of the builds, I would disagree that it's "pointless".

MotW Lone wolf (PA)  - BP, SS   - 3+/3++ = 65pts
MotW Lone wolf (TDA) - SB, (PW) - 2+/5++ = 60pts
MotW Lone wolf (TDA) - SB, SS   - 2+/3++ = 75pts
MotW Lone wolf (PA)  - PP, SS   - 3+/3++ = 80pts

A PA LW who swaps his "useless" CCW for a Storm Shield costs 65pts and has 1 12"/S4/AP5 pistol shot before the charge, d6+1 rending attacks, a 3+/3++ save, and can Sweeping Advance.

A TDA LW costs 5pts less, gets 2 24"/S4/AP5 assault shots before the charge, still has d6+1 rending attacks, and a 2+/5++ save, but can't Sweep.

A TDA LW who swaps the "useless" Power Weapon for a Storm Shield costs 10pts more, gets the same 2 24"/S4/AP5 assault shots before charging, the same d6+1 rending attacks, and now has a better 2+/3++ save, but can't Sweep.

The big loss to the TDA Lone wolf is the loss of Sweeping Advance.

Edit:

Also, as pointed out below, a PA LW can take a Plasma pistol giving it 1 12"/S7/AP2 pistol shot with a Gets Hot chance, D6+1 rending wounds, a 3+/3++ save, and can Sweeping Advance, at 80pts. (Thanks Cain)

[CainTheHunter]

Plus, PA model can take plasma pistol, which makes it more expensive, but makes also a big difference. And chances to fail his armor save are a bit moot, since he gets FNP save afterwards.

[nurglez]

maybe try a lonewolf with termie, motw, stormshield and a combi weapon?

[Sarapham]

I still have said article and also love the model which if I remember right is a lonewolf in TDA with a power weapon and frost/axe blade, its a configuration that is not legal I believe

 

That'd be the fella! I'm at work now, so I can't refer to my codex, and thats what I initially thought when I read the codex entry.

 

The plot thickens! :whistling:

 

It is perfectly legal to do so, however it is also very needless since you can call one of the weapons a regular close-combat weapon instead, having the same effect but the close combat weapon is free.

 

But surely when you upgrade to Terminator armour you replace your original kit with a storm bolter, pwer weapon and terminator armour? That means that the only option is to upgrade the storm bolter to another weapon.

 

If there is a way to keep standard close combat weapons whilst in terminator armour \i'm interested in knowing how, because i want a twin ccw terminator lonewolf with mark of the wulfen

 

 

My mistake. Yes there is no standard close-combat weapon for TDA however you could go with 2 normal power weapons if you really want that extra attack, sparing some cost from the Frost weapon. Personally I would put TH/SS :devil:

[dswanick]

If there is a way to keep standard close combat weapons whilst in terminator armour \i'm interested in knowing how, because i want a twin ccw terminator lonewolf with mark of the wulfen

My mistake. Yes there is no standard close-combat weapon for TDA however you could go with 2 normal power weapons if you really want that extra attack, sparing some cost from the Frost weapon. Personally I would put TH/SS ;)

With MotW you can't get a +1A for two close combat weapons. And you can't use a TH if you have MotW, either.

[Sarapham]

If there is a way to keep standard close combat weapons whilst in terminator armour \i'm interested in knowing how, because i want a twin ccw terminator lonewolf with mark of the wulfen

My mistake. Yes there is no standard close-combat weapon for TDA however you could go with 2 normal power weapons if you really want that extra attack, sparing some cost from the Frost weapon. Personally I would put TH/SS ;)

With MotW you can't get a +1A for two close combat weapons. And you can't use a TH if you have MotW, either.

 

I know, but he said he wanted a twin ccw mark of the wulfen.. it is a waste of points but you can have it. Of course you can always just have two CCW weapons modeled on him and call him a MOTW dude without problem since even if your friends are firm with WYSIWYG the only thing GW seems to think is different about them is that they have a red mark on their face.