LittleRuss Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 I am playing a 1,500pt jump list I think I am going to play 2 or 3 baal preds as support, two being because I was going to add sponsons to them, thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214058-baal-preds/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulley Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 There is a thread for this just below, asking much the same. Personally I'd recommend just sticking to pure DoA army, though it really depends on what you have. In 1500 your going to be quite model light as it is, unless your only taking say a libby and RAS'ers. The second you start adding more specialised troops (melta gun honor guard or van guard kitted up to the teeth with power weapons) your not going to have many points to play about with and stay effective in the missions. Baals w/ AC's scouting/reserving seems quite a good idea in theory, but if you bringing in something like x20 RAS and x5 VV to support that your going to have a tough time. Getting up to 2000 I'd start thinking about adding mech to my list if I was DoA, unless you dont run with Dante, in which case I'd add Dante and more troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214058-baal-preds/#findComment-2547520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRuss Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 yeah, my list is 30 RAS a libby and some san guard. The preds are replace melta honor guard and a vanguard squad, in my head I am thinking these preds are way to vulnerable but equipped with only assault cannons they seem to just be moving terrain lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214058-baal-preds/#findComment-2547523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumo9 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 I love Baals and regularly use both variants - even one of each in the same list if points allow! Personally I find them a nice accompanyment to a predominantly JP list and can give your opponent a few headaches over priorities. G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214058-baal-preds/#findComment-2547525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRuss Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 Do you think the full 3 is over kill? librarian 125 - jump pack - blood lance - sanguine sword 2x sanguinary priest 150 - jump packs 5x sanguinary guard 210 - powerfist 10x assault squad 235 - 2 meltaguns - powerfist 10x assault squad 235 - 2 meltaguns - powerfist 5x assault squad 135 - meltagun - powerfist baal predator 115 - twin linked assault cannon baal predator 115 - twin linked assault cannon baal predator 115 - twin linked assault cannon 1,435 I am shy about 75pts I love Baals and regularly use both variants - even one of each in the same list if points allow! Personally I find them a nice accompanyment to a predominantly JP list and can give your opponent a few headaches over priorities. G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214058-baal-preds/#findComment-2547529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumo9 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Depends on what you are up against, but because you are pretty well sorted sorted with melta for anti-armour, you could round out your capabilty by running 2 Baals (TL AC + HB sponsons, FS cannon + HF sponsons) and a Landspeeder Typhoon. This comes in at 1465 so you could easily add extra armour to the Baals and still come within your points limit. Personally I don't like my lists too specialised as I like to have some variation to deal with any wildcard my opponent throws at me. Just my thoughts G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214058-baal-preds/#findComment-2547573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRuss Posted October 28, 2010 Author Share Posted October 28, 2010 I agree, I do not like speeders out of a personal preference honestly, idk about the baals the more I think about it another sang guard unit and HG with meltas would be better lolz Depends on what you are up against, but because you are pretty well sorted sorted with melta for anti-armour, you could round out your capabilty by running 2 Baals (TL AC + HB sponsons, FS cannon + HF sponsons) and a Landspeeder Typhoon. This comes in at 1465 so you could easily add extra armour to the Baals and still come within your points limit. Personally I don't like my lists too specialised as I like to have some variation to deal with any wildcard my opponent throws at me. Just my thoughts G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214058-baal-preds/#findComment-2547584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
igotsmeakabob!! Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 I'd add HB sponsons to two of the Baals and switch the third to a flamestorm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214058-baal-preds/#findComment-2547820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 2 baals and a vindi would be better. ideally id like 2 of each... ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214058-baal-preds/#findComment-2547897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingareth Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 I very much doubt a Vindi would be better than anything at all. He's running a largely assault army that will close on his opponent's army by turn 2; meaning that he'll be at risk of blowing his own guys off the board. Also, its one gun makes it very easy to shut down, especially when there's not many other targets out there. Hybrid Angels are very hard to run effectively, I suggest you pick up some Vanguard or Honor Guard instead. Even at 1,500 points, 3 armor 13 tanks will drop or be shut down. in 1 turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214058-baal-preds/#findComment-2548613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Legion Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 I've never lost 3 baal preds in any game. Especially not at 1500. maybe I'm lucky or maybe I use them as Long range support. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214058-baal-preds/#findComment-2548627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Do you think the full 3 is over kill? librarian 125 - jump pack - blood lance - sanguine sword 2x sanguinary priest 150 - jump packs 5x sanguinary guard 210 - powerfist 10x assault squad 235 - 2 meltaguns - powerfist 10x assault squad 235 - 2 meltaguns - powerfist 5x assault squad 135 - meltagun - powerfist baal predator 115 - twin linked assault cannon baal predator 115 - twin linked assault cannon baal predator 115 - twin linked assault cannon 1,435 I am shy about 75pts I love Baals and regularly use both variants - even one of each in the same list if points allow! Personally I find them a nice accompanyment to a predominantly JP list and can give your opponent a few headaches over priorities. G LOVE this list. id get PWs on the priests- maybe even drop a priest - and use the points for something else, but otherwise GREAT! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214058-baal-preds/#findComment-2548650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulley Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Personally I'd add HB x2 to the Baals - thats 60 points of the 75 there. With the remaining 15 I'd look at maybe thunder hammer into one of the squads of RAS - maybe even 2, or a PW on the SP (though they die so quick sometimes I don't bother wasting points on em). I'd definatly get the HB's up - x2 baals w/ HB into a single infantry squad can make them go bye bye very quick, with your setup x12 rending shots and x12 str5 shots, they can bring down monstrous creatures with sheer weight of volume. People say vindys - over my past 4 games I've faced a total of 6 of them combined, and the only thing they have done is imob my land raider. I find vs me they scatter all the time, and its 1 shot, if you fail to do anything your ballsed, where as I've had so much effect with Baals - I mean they can even pen LR's with a bit of luck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214058-baal-preds/#findComment-2548791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gustmic Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 I would also consider removing the 5-man RAS you've got. You will have enough of troops once you combat squad your 10-men RAS. That saves you a nice 135 that you can play around with as you see fit. /gustmic Visit my all-jumpers WIP blog (2000pts) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214058-baal-preds/#findComment-2548853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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