wolf standard.

[rapscallion]

just a quick question, does wolf standards rules apply to saving throws in that combat? thanks

[Grey Mage]

Yes.

 

It applies to any roll of a single die.

[Fred Johnson the 3rd jr]

Yes.

 

It applies to any roll of a single die.

 

More accurately, any straight d6 roll, yes? A Mark of the Wulfen roll, which is 1d6+1 would not get a reroll on a "1" because it is impossible to get less than a 2.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Yes.

 

It applies to any roll of a single die.

 

More accurately, any straight d6 roll, yes? A Mark of the Wulfen roll, which is 1d6+1 would not get a reroll on a "1" because it is impossible to get less than a 2.

 

It works for MotW.

It works for a d3 roll.

 

Just not Ld and other 2d6 rolls

[Fred Johnson the 3rd jr]

Source? I mean how exactly can you get a 1 to reroll with a 1d6+1? Drop the die down a deep hole so it is lost forever?

[Warhead01]

Space Wolf FAQ I think.?

[Fred Johnson the 3rd jr]

Heh. You think? Well I don't think so? We're two unsure thinkers. Gee, two useless posts (yours and mine) back to back.

 

 

Going to bed - I am sure someone will bring up the relevant evidence tomorrow, otherwise I'll look it up myself.

[Grimtooth]

Yes.

 

It applies to any roll of a single die.

 

More accurately, any straight d6 roll, yes? A Mark of the Wulfen roll, which is 1d6+1 would not get a reroll on a "1" because it is impossible to get less than a 2.

 

Codex Space Wolves, pg 62: Wolf Standard

For the duration of the next Assault Phase, all models in that unit may re-roll any dice rolls of 1.

 

When the MoW dice roll hits the table and it comes up a 1, that is all the Wolf Standard cares about. D6+1 is only how you determine how many attacks you get with MoW. It has no bearing on what the actual dice roll comes up when you roll, that is all the Wolf Standard cares about.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

I am in agreeance with what Ramses said.

Furthermore:

Q. Does a Wolf Standard allow Leadership test

results to be re-rolled?

A. No, as it is impossible to roll a ‘1’ on 2D6 –

when making a 2D6 result you must count both

dice as a single roll, not address them

individually.

 

BBB pg 2

 

"Modifying Dice Rolls:

Sometimes, you may modify the result of the dice roll.... Roll the dice and add or subtract the number to or from the score to get the final result."

 

The dice roll is what is shown on the top of the die. That is what the WS allows you to re-roll - on getting a 1.

 

"Wolf Standard

.... all models in that unit may re-roll any dice rolls of a 1"

 

Result ≠ Roll, but most of the time it happens to be talking about the exact same thing.

[Grey Mage]

Source? I mean how exactly can you get a 1 to reroll with a 1d6+1? Drop the die down a deep hole so it is lost forever?

The die rolls a 1. The total is a 2. That is the difference.

[Muller]

Mage, I see your reasoning but it fails since the focus is still on the dice roll of 1, +1 is always added AFTER the dice has been rolled, always has been for pretty much all dice-based games, always will ;)

[Grimtooth]

Mage, I see your reasoning but it fails since the focus is still on the dice roll of 1, +1 is always added AFTER the dice has been rolled, always has been for pretty much all dice-based games, always will ;)

 

I took GM as agreeing that a roll of 1 on a MoW roll allows a re-roll. Not sure where you are coming from.

[Grey Mage]

Mage, I see your reasoning but it fails since the focus is still on the dice roll of 1, +1 is always added AFTER the dice has been rolled, always has been for pretty much all dice-based games, always will :P

 

I took GM as agreeing that a roll of 1 on a MoW roll allows a re-roll. Not sure where you are coming from.

I was agreeing with the idea that a roll of 1 on MotW allows a reroll.

 

Why? Because the die rolled a one, so even though the total is two the rule still kicks in- because we care about the roll, not the total.

[silverneil]

As Grey Mage, Marshall Wilhelm and Brother Rameses say.

 

If you throw a single die (can be either D3 or D6) and up pops a one, you can reroll. Add modifiers later.

[nurglez]

agree that you re roll a 1, if you roll a d3 and roll a 2, even though that counts as a 1 you couldn't reroll it because you rolled a 2 <_<

[Blarmb]

agree that you re roll a 1, if you roll a d3 and roll a 2, even though that counts as a 1 you couldn't reroll it because you rolled a 2 <_<

 

You could just roll an actual D3. The convention of converting from a D6 is only a convenience because d6s are more common.

[Valerian]

agree that you re roll a 1, if you roll a d3 and roll a 2, even though that counts as a 1 you couldn't reroll it because you rolled a 2 :D

 

Not true. If you are using a standard D6 as your method for emulating a D3, then if you roll either a 1 or 2 on that die you would get to reroll it. You have a 1/3 change of getting a 1 on a D3, so it follows that you have 1/3 chance of getting to reroll your die.

 

If you have trouble wrapping your head around that, then just do yourself a favor and buy yourself a D3, there are several options out there.

 

Valerian

[Tsavong Lah]

When would you ever roll a D3 with regard to a Grey Hunter pack?

[Valerian]

When would you ever roll a D3 with regard to a Grey Hunter pack?

 

When Ragnar is leading them on a Charge. You would get to reroll his Berserk Charge roll, so you'd very likely get +2 or +3 Attacks on the Charge (at S5/I5, too).

 

Valerian

[Tsavong Lah]

Ohh, right. Thanks!

[jjfelber]

I do agree that you get to re-roll any die roll of a 1.

I also agree that you cannot re-roll leadership rolls or 2d6 rolls.

 

However, with the argument of roll does not equal result, then shouldn't you be able to re-roll any roll of a one when rolling 2d6?

[Fred Johnson the 3rd jr]

However, with the argument of roll does not equal result, then shouldn't you be able to re-roll any roll of a one when rolling 2d6?

 

I've been playing devil's advocate a bit here since I would rather have any 1's be rerolled, but yes, you are right dude, the "roll does not equal result" argument is a load of utter crap. Because, like you pointed out, if applied consistently it would mean that rolling one on either of the two dice, for a leadership test, would result in a reroll for that die.

 

A. No, as it is impossible to roll a ‘1’ on 2D6 –

when making a 2D6 result you must count both

dice as a single roll, not address them

individually.

 

This garbage response ruins things even further. A die roll is a die roll is a die roll, right? Nope. Except when it isn't. Apparently two dice rolls are really one just because they say so. Thus ruining the common sense definition that reflects the reality. Also, if it is "impossible" to roll a '1' on a 2D6, one could argue by the same reasoning that it is impossible to roll a 1 on a 1D6+1. This answer from GW is just plain awful.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

However, with the argument of roll does not equal result, then shouldn't you be able to re-roll any roll of a one when rolling 2d6?

 

Ultimately, it is because the FAQ says so [and despite what GW says, we all treat it as errata] :P

 

But the reasoning is, you are rolling two dice for one throw.

 

Whilst you could re-roll 2 single d6, you cannot re-roll 1 double d6 ~ because the double dice can never roll a '1'

 

I know it seems a bit shakey [and it probably is] but you get a feel for things after a while ;)

 

 

Interesting though, losing the ability to re-roll 1s hardly seems like a bad thing ~ unless you are wanting to fail the test.... you haven't been reading Guilliman's Book have you?

What would Russ say?! ;)

[Marshal Wilhelm]

However, with the argument of roll does not equal result, then shouldn't you be able to re-roll any roll of a one when rolling 2d6?

 

I've been playing devil's advocate a bit here since I would rather have any 1's be rerolled, but yes, you are right dude, the "roll does not equal result" argument is a load of utter crap. Because, like you pointed out, if applied consistently it would mean that rolling one on either of the two dice, for a leadership test, would result in a reroll for that die.

 

A. No, as it is impossible to roll a ‘1’ on 2D6 –

when making a 2D6 result you must count both

dice as a single roll, not address them

individually.

 

This garbage response ruins things even further. A die roll is a die roll is a die roll, right? Nope. Except when it isn't. Apparently two dice rolls are really one just because they say so. Thus ruining the common sense definition that reflects the reality. Also, if it is "impossible" to roll a '1' on a 2D6, one could argue by the same reasoning that it is impossible to roll a 1 on a 1D6+1. This answer from GW is just plain awful.

 

It is being consistent, just not how you might intuitively feel it should be.

 

One dice is rolled. It gives you one result.

 

Two dice are rolled. It gives you one result.

 

The one dice can roll a 1. Even if you add or subtract modifiers.

 

The two dice cannot roll a 1. One d6 is not modifying the other. They are one throw.

[Fred Johnson the 3rd jr]

It is being consistent, just not how you might intuitively feel it should be.

 

It's Friday night, did you write this drunk? My ENTIRE point is that the official GW answer butchers the English language. And you seemed to agree earlier calling the whole thing shaky. If the Wolf Standard works on die rolls, it should work on die rolls. Yet the GW FAQ answer claims a die roll is not a die roll, because sometimes two die rolls is really one die roll. That's not clear nor consistent. There is no defense for this, that much is obvious.

 

That has nothing to do with intuition. There is nothing to intuit. A GW employee dropped the ball with that imprecise and frankly stupid answer. Yammering on about "throws" (found no where in any of the cited language from GW) is you just trying to salvage GW's sloppy answer with additional terminology that you pulled out of your own noggin.