Canis vs WGBL

[Godhead]

I have been tweaking my 2k lists for a while now, trying to find a balance between competitive, fun, and full of wolves ( I LOVE WOLVES!!!).

 

My most recent list is probably my favorite as far a being what I consider visually striking and just darn fun units to play with. I really only have one spot that I'm hedging on.

 

Canis or a WGBL.

 

I have to restrict myself on build purposes for the WGBL to a point value of prob 200 or less. (I might be able to squeeze out 215, but then im losing something else id really prefer).

 

So here is a potential build for the WGBL:

WC/SS, WTN, TWM,WTT, Saga of the Wolfkin. (I really really must have wolfkin for my fenwolves unit that I am running with) This clocks me in at 195 points

 

Pros for Canis Pros For WGBL

1 more wound Invuln Save

More attacks (6 vs 4) Better Ld

Is a full fledge GW model Could upgrade to runic armor

 

Cons for Canis Cons for WGBL

No invuln 2 less attacks really lowering his effectiveness

only ever able to have a 3+ sv One less wound (these two cons really affects the performance of their job)

Ld 8

 

These are the big ones for me..but feel free to contribute if there are other major ones that I'm missing.

 

 

I think I need to explain how I am running these guys two as it impacts their playability.

 

I run a WL on TWM, SS/TH, RA sotb, WTN, WTT attached to a 15 strong fen wolf pack. Canis gets attached to this squad as well.

I also run two units of TWC consisting of a single TWC ss/th. These guys all run as a big wolf blob.

 

The fen wolves are to help with large mobs (orks, gaunts, guard, etc that will try to bog down my Lord, Canis (or the WGBL) is there to go at int 5 to thin out termies, meganobs,etc) with some power weapons. This is where I have some issues.

 

Canis is KILLY, oh my I love when he swings. The only problem is that he has no invulnerable save. Being able to be singled out means all it takes is someone with a fist or klaw or two to divert their attacks at him (or a handful of regular attacks with some bad dice) and his killy goes away. The WGBL has significant drop in performance (IMO) in comparison to Canis, plus with a 3+ and one wound less, I really don't feel like he's anymore survivable. I think with runic armor and ss then his survivability goes up considerably, but in the end, is he really killy enough to warrent his points cost?

 

I was wondering if anyone else had some advice.

 

 

The rest of my list (just so the discussion isn't completely in a vacuum) is

RP

6GH with a WGPL in a rhino

10 GH rhino 2x melta

5 Gh las/plas rzrback pg with WGPL x2

All WGPL have combi melta/pfist. All GH's have WS

 

2x LF 5 ML

 

All in All 65 models 4 troop choices. I like the list a lot.

[Godhead]

bumb..no one has any experiences or thoughts on this?

[Stormshrug]

Though I myself have never fielded him, Canis is not terribly well liked round these parts. You'd probably be better served by a Wolf Lord on a TWM with a Storm Shield/Belt of Russ (for the Invul save) and Thunder Hammer/Frost Blade, since you can't get Saga of the Bear if you're getting Saga of the Wolfkin.

 

-Stormshrug

[Godhead]

I already run one WL with SS/TH. I wanted someone for int 5 killing goodness :lol: and to bring along the saga of the wolfkin. Canis fits in my list pretty well points wise. I can make the battle leader fit, but I wonder if I need to, or if anyone else has any experience comparing the two (canis and a wgbl).

 

Edit- I also have this aversion to running two wolf lords in my list. It feels wrong.

[BrotherCaptainJames]

I personally run a WL w/ TWM, WTN, FB/SS, RA, Saga of the Bear and a WGBL w/TWM, WTN, TH/SS, RA, Saga of the Warrior Born with a single TWC equipped with FB/SS... this unit is absolutely devastating. I know you want wolfkin, but as I don't run Fen wolves I'm really not sure what i'm missing out on. I screen these guys behind a couple rhino's and just plow through units, I actually feel bad fielding this unit at times...

[Eric the Green]

For the points cost i usually find Canis to be a better investment than a WGBL. Of course I also find that 3 HQs is too many, regardless of points value. I generally will run a Rune Priest and Canis in wolf filled lists.

[Marshal Wilhelm]

Perhaps the big thing is Ld.

 

As you already have the Lord, then one of Canis's big weaknesses [besides no ++ save] is covered.

 

If Canis is killer, use him.

 

But to be honest, play 5 or so games with Canis and the same amount with the Battle Leader [i wish they had a snappier name....] and see what works best for you. :)

[WolfGeezer]

Go for Canis for points effectiveness, for the fluff and most importantly for the fun of those times you can send him on his own, have him completely surrounded and get in 9 or 10 attacks at I5, hitting on 3's with S5 and a re-roll. This ability still has the ability to stun and surprise opponents I find and has rescued a couple of wins when the opponent thought he had me on the ropes. You can also avoid getting into discussions about whether his PF instant kills you and the need to start looking for that FAQ you left in the other case as he is clearly naturally T5 :)

[Rune_Priest_Rhapsody]

I ran Canis for several months, mostly because my wife bought me the model for my last birthday. And because he's just awesome looking!! My only qualm with Senor Wolfborn is his lack of an invulnerable save. If he had one at all, I'd run him every game!!

 

-R_P_R

[Max_Dammit]

I see nothing wrong with 2 lords, its a stats thing, I think every wolflord has some wolfguard in his army that would kick his ass, I would make sure of it if i was a wolflord, i dont want a weaker leader when i go down to take over. So i'm building a 2nd wolflord in stats but not give him all the bling a wolflord would have. he will be more brutal.

[Godhead]

Dammit...er I mean, damn you Dammit : ) You've gone and giving me plausible reason why I could do that.. and now I've got these crazy voices saying "RUN TWO WOLF LORDS AWWWWOOOOOOO... RUN TWO WOLF LORDS AAAAAWHOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Now to frost weapon or wolf claw..... frost weapon or wolf claw.

[Wildfire]

Searchy is your friend. For instance, if you typed "Canis" in, you would have found this.

[Godhead]

I have seen that Wildfire (hence the 1st reply to that post). Unfortunately that post deals with a single leader for TWC and their usages. I was asking specifically about adding a second character to a unit that also already includes a powerful character, and for under a certain points value. Maybe I wasn't clear in what I was wanting to ask.

[Natanael]

You want the claw for extra killyness, but the frostaxe for extra cool-ness =D

 

- Natanael

[hartnett]

personally my wolf lord always has

TWM WTN FB and either BOR or a SS i sometimes go for a saga he clocks in at about 200 points wont get much more killy than that...

 

I never throw a TH on this guy as it makes him so much less effective at what he loves ... infantry.

 

I dont like using WGBL on thunderwolves ... they just seem to fragile and you get a similar result from throwing a FB onto a Thunderwolf as you would on him but you do lose an initiative