Ash Tekka Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 I seem to recall reading somewhere that when a marine comes back from serving the deathwatch they will usually wear that shoulder pad on their right side. Since we use the right side for the pack markings would a space wolf wear his pack marking or the deathwatch pad? I don't recall seeing anyone doing this with any of their miniatures so I figured I would ask. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214745-space-wolf-that-returns-for-the-deathwatch/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 I imagine all Deathwatch marines that complete their tour will be Wolf Guard when they get back. Seems a heroic enough journey. Otherwise, I imagine he would do away with the Death Watch sigma and get rid of it as soon as he finishes it, or wears it as a badge of pride to prove his individalty. Either way, theres no promises that he's not been replaced or his pack is still there in the meantime, so he could even end up as a Lone Wolf on his return. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214745-space-wolf-that-returns-for-the-deathwatch/#findComment-2557116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Tekka Posted November 8, 2010 Author Share Posted November 8, 2010 Either way, theres no promises that he's not been replaced or his pack is still there in the meantime, so he could even end up as a Lone Wolf on his return. I was thinking that would probably be the outcome. Even if his pack was still intact I would think things would be stressed between the pack mates since he would have been gone for however long and would probably come back with a different attitude then when he left. Keeping the deathwatch shoulder pad instead of going back to the pack markings to me sounds like almost an insult to the pack... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214745-space-wolf-that-returns-for-the-deathwatch/#findComment-2557148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Either way, theres no promises that he's not been replaced or his pack is still there in the meantime, so he could even end up as a Lone Wolf on his return. I was thinking that would probably be the outcome. Even if his pack was still intact I would think things would be stressed between the pack mates since he would have been gone for however long and would probably come back with a different attitude then when he left. Keeping the deathwatch shoulder pad instead of going back to the pack markings to me sounds like almost an insult to the pack... The wolf lord bares his own totem, so that kind of stuff is not that new. Even Wolf Guard change their pack markings. As said, if they survice their tour of service, any of those things could happen. He could remove it, get a pretty much auto premotion to wolf guard by a very proud lord, or he will just keep it reguardless as a sign of his own personal ability. He entered and serviced that tour and lengthening his Saga is key to the Space Wolf's very well being, if the space wolves throught of it as such a insult, they probably would not send any of their own on it. That being said, I qould feel that deathwatch service would be a truely life changing experience. Marines from different chapters often don't get to work together. Perhaps they will come back changed, so much so that he could not be a pack member anymore, in the spiritral sense anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214745-space-wolf-that-returns-for-the-deathwatch/#findComment-2557178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormshrug Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Given that Deathwatch marines are almost all Sergeants or higher within their own chapters, it seems unlikely that this would be too much of an issue. However, if a warrior returning from a tour on the Deatwatch DID have a pack to rejoin, the Space Wolves probably wouldn't frown upon some sort of compromise on the issue, such as moving the pack markings to the helmet, breastplate, or greaves, or even interweaving the pack symbols with the Deathwatch colors. Space Wolves seem to be given a lot of leeway on 'uniform,' given their focus on individual achievement. -Stormshrug Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214745-space-wolf-that-returns-for-the-deathwatch/#findComment-2557239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulweih Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Hail brothers, As I am waiting on some of those DW shoulderpads myself, I did a little research. -first off, the Deatchwatch shoulderpad is worn on the left, usually replacing the company or chapter icon. On the pic from the GW site the chapter icon moves to the right shoulder. I'm planning on making one Grey Hunter a DW veteran and probably two Wolfguard, or one and one Long Fang. My take is that the packmates of such a warrior are proud to see him return, although he can never tell them tales of what happened because he's bound to oaths of secrecy. Much like Ragnar returning from the Wolfblade, these warriors are held in high regard by their brothers and Lords. That's my two cents on this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214745-space-wolf-that-returns-for-the-deathwatch/#findComment-2557431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsavong Lah Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Looks like your answer is yes: http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/deathwatch/minisite/deathwatch-art1.png Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214745-space-wolf-that-returns-for-the-deathwatch/#findComment-2557494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulweih Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Wow, epic pic, who has done that one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214745-space-wolf-that-returns-for-the-deathwatch/#findComment-2557668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Hail brothers,As I am waiting on some of those DW shoulderpads myself, I did a little research. -first off, the Deatchwatch shoulderpad is worn on the left, usually replacing the company or chapter icon. On the pic from the GW site the chapter icon moves to the right shoulder. I'm planning on making one Grey Hunter a DW veteran and probably two Wolfguard, or one and one Long Fang. My take is that the packmates of such a warrior are proud to see him return, although he can never tell them tales of what happened because he's bound to oaths of secrecy. Much like Ragnar returning from the Wolfblade, these warriors are held in high regard by their brothers and Lords. That's my two cents on this. Actually the WolfBlade is much different an assignment/posting than the DeathWatch, IMHO. Ragnars return was hailed as he returned with a sacred relic and was the one who retrieved it. That was the reason he was sent to the WolfBlade in disgrace or having lost it in the first place. His honor was restored and he as allowed to return to the Fang. He is not bound by any oathes to not speak about anything that happened while he was a WolfBlade, they have no NDA's. Upon his return, he was once again a Son of Russ. His promotion to Wolf Lord gave him higher status but he was still Ragnar to his contemporaries. DeatWatch is an entirely different animal. Company insignia left shoulder. When assigned to the DeathWatch, that is what goes there. For a SW, the Pack insignia goes on the right shoulder. This is replaced by the Chapter/Company insignia while assigned to the DeathWatch. Other insignias and such can go wherever else to satisfy the "individuality" flavor of the modeller, IMHO. That's how I'd do it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214745-space-wolf-that-returns-for-the-deathwatch/#findComment-2557684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulweih Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 My bad brother, I didn't want to directly compare the DW to the Wolfblade, of course you are right. I meant the occasion where Ragnar runs over his former company in the mead hall in the fang at the beginning of 'Sons of Fenris' if memory serves me right. He wants to evade them not knowing how they would react, but they welcomed him regardless. I like to think the bond of brotherhood between the Sons of Russ is strong enough to allow the DW Vets a good return. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214745-space-wolf-that-returns-for-the-deathwatch/#findComment-2557716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Keeping the deathwatch shoulder pad instead of going back to the pack markings to me sounds like almost an insult to the pack... Yes, but shedding off the DW insignia would be an insult to the power armor itself, according to 41'st millennium suspicions. I've been wanting to do the same thing lately, and I concur with Wysten that those who have served and survived in the Deathwatch are probably promoted to the WG on their return. Space Wolves seem to be given a lot of leeway on 'uniform,' given their focus on individual achievement. That is also my take on it. You have to admit, a tour of service in the DW is a heck of a personal achievement, especially considering that you learn valuable tactical information about the exotic enemies of the Imperium that your own chapter may not be aware of. Tsavong, the picture doesn't prove much as it's of a Space Wolf during his service with the Deathwatch, not after. Thus he has the black armor and DW shoulderguard on the left in compliance with the DW uniform. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214745-space-wolf-that-returns-for-the-deathwatch/#findComment-2557785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsavong Lah Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Tsavong, the picture doesn't prove much as it's of a Space Wolf during his service with the Deathwatch, not after. Thus he has the black armor and DW shoulderguard on the left in compliance with the DW uniform. Yeah, I realized that a little while after I posted, but the picture was too badass to take down. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214745-space-wolf-that-returns-for-the-deathwatch/#findComment-2557892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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