celes Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 I'm considering the organisation of my DIY chapter, the Ascendant Suns. The biggest part of their background is that they've moved away from the suspicion surrounding technology and the imperial cult, so their focus is on reclaiming technology and using it to raise mankind to its rightful place in the galaxy, as they see this as the Emperor's original intention. Initially I was planning on ruling out the use of chaplains altogether, as the chapter would be lead in part by its techmarines and master of the forge, but now I'm thinking I might replace their role with something else, and I'm considering creating the role of "arbiter" or "judge" to keep the guys in check and administer advice. I think they'd have the same kind of image as a chaplain, only a bit more stern, usually carrying a large storm shield rather than a crozius and possibly missing the skull mask. I still don't know whether they should have the same combat role and/or special rules as a chaplain though. Additionally, the chapter maintains two scout companies as they are from a recent founding and because their search for lost technologies requires a lot of reconnaissance missions. I'm going to be differentiating them by the colours of their fatigues and by their equipment loadouts and battlefield roles. Comments and criticism required please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 It'd seem more likely they'd abandon the Master of the Forge, since the Techmarines are all trained on Mars... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2557222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 You could base your chaplainish type on the Iron Hands Ironfather. I don't think the chaplain would necessarily go with abandoning the Imperial Cult...(Think of a chaplain in full battle rage. Now multiply that by around say 20 or however many chaplains your chapter has. Then square that because these are supposedly loyal marines who should know better. That's what they would be like.) Octavulg, I think that the MotF might actually lead them onto this new path. After all, their allegiance is first to the chapter then the Omnissiah, not the Martian priesthood. So, they might see this as an interpretation of the Omnissiah's will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2557229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skawolf Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 It'd seem more likely they'd abandon the Master of the Forge, since the Techmarines are all trained on Mars... You could go that route, or you can say that their MOTF is the catalyst for this entire change of protocol. I can imagian a tech priest meeting up with a rouge Magos sort of like the one represented in the novel "black tide" and then becoming obsessed with lost technollogies and returning man to the ultimate superpower of the galaxy. Just a thought ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2557230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefireinferno Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Smells like traitors... Oh and Heresy and you know how the Imperium looks at that Oh and Skawolf I do not know what you speak of when you say "Black Tide" is this some sort of new kid thing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2557238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
celes Posted November 9, 2010 Author Share Posted November 9, 2010 Actually they have a rather interesting relationship with Mars. They recognise the necessity of remaining loyal to the AdMech, as any chapter would find it exceedingly difficult to function without them, but they also distrust them because of their superstitious views on technology. They currently get a disproportionately large amount of support from them, but let's say if the AdMech ever found out how they really feel or some of the things they've been up to, they wouldn't be so happy about the arrangement. You could go that route, or you can say that their MOTF is the catalyst for this entire change of protocol. I can imagian a tech priest meeting up with a rouge Magos sort of like the one represented in the novel "black tide" and then becoming obsessed with lost technollogies and returning man to the ultimate superpower of the galaxy. That's what I'm talking about. The Chapter Master lost a lot of his left side (just like will smith in I, Robot) in an encounter with a piece of technology of unknown origin and it's kind of had a strange effect on him, to the point of obsession. The MotF has been kinda prodding him a bit too... Smells like traitors... Oh and Heresy and you know how the Imperium looks at that Yup, it's techno-heresy, and they're trying really hard to cover it up, so don't blow my cover dude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2557244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 You might want to include the heroic, or evil depending on your point of view, techmarine who they have to lock up so that he can't get word back to the AdMech. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2557249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debauchery101 Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 you could put a twist on thie idea by not having them cover anything up. you could say that sector they are mainly operating in is heavy with ancient human outposts that have been no overtaken by xenos. the high lords of terra have made it a particular focus of your chapter to work closely with the adeptus mechanicus to recover the lost tech and unlock the secrets. the mechanicus obviously cant do this mission themselves so terra has put your chapter to helping them and also set you to make sure the knowledge is shared and not just spirited away to mars to be brooded over by tech adepts. your chapters affinity to the tech could be attributed to long service with mars and you could keep chaplains in there to be enforces of the imperial mission to share this knowledge with the rest of civilization Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2557253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
celes Posted November 19, 2010 Author Share Posted November 19, 2010 Ok, I'm resurrecting the thread. Two reasons: I want to say thankyou for the helpful replies I got from you all and because now I have another issue. As already stated, the chapter's going to have a lot of techmarines, and techmarines need support. But the use of servitors really doesn't fit with the idea of a chapter wanting to restore humanity to a glorious era of understanding and mastery over technology. In fact, you could say that it represents the polar opposite value. So does anyone have any ideas on how I could replace the use of servitors and remain fluffy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2566964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 What's wrong with servitors, though? So long as you choose the right people for the process. Or perhaps they use fallen brothers and serfs, who thus become one with the machine-god. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2566971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NExOBLIVISCARIS Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 You could replace the models with ig tech preists and then use space marine heavy weapon arms if they use a heavy weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2566974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Ok, I'm resurrecting the thread. Two reasons: I want to say thankyou for the helpful replies I got from you all and because now I have another issue. As already stated, the chapter's going to have a lot of techmarines, and techmarines need support. But the use of servitors really doesn't fit with the idea of a chapter wanting to restore humanity to a glorious era of understanding and mastery over technology. In fact, you could say that it represents the polar opposite value. So does anyone have any ideas on how I could replace the use of servitors and remain fluffy? Oh no, keep the servitors. Definitely. There's nothing wrong with a bit of hypocrisy in a Chapter, especially when they think they're doing everyone else a favour by restoring all this tech. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2567217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostLegion Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 first, have to say i like the idea of the iron hands route for this idea...only taken to the n-th degree (i know its late to weigh in there, but hey) second...deffinately keep the servitors. maybe theyre not lobotomized slaves...but works in progress as the chapter is trying to use technology to 'help' fix the 'poor, poor innocents' or others somehow wounded/malformed/mutated/enter other reasoning here that the chapter encounters. thus, technology used to improve mankind! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2567303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Definitely keep the servitors. You could make them people too injured by an attack to live and so must have extensive bionic replacements. They wouldn't be mindless, but would still use the statline. The whole mindlock thing could just mean that the brain is having trouble meshing the machine and man. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2567311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 What's that smell... *sniff* *sniff* Heresy! I smell Heresy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2567563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 What?! Heresy?! No, these 8-pointed spiky bloody stars are symbols of devotion to the Emperor. And doesn't everyone have these lovely, new-fangled axes? They're excellent for chopping off heads...err, I mean branches. Those chain bits really give them some oompf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2567565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 second...deffinately keep the servitors. maybe theyre not lobotomized slaves...but works in progress as the chapter is trying to use technology to 'help' fix the 'poor, poor innocents' or others somehow wounded/malformed/mutated/enter other reasoning here that the chapter encounters. thus, technology used to improve mankind! Definitely keep the servitors. You could make them people too injured by an attack to live and so must have extensive bionic replacements. They wouldn't be mindless, but would still use the statline. The whole mindlock thing could just mean that the brain is having trouble meshing the machine and man. I think they should just keep the mindless servitors. Hypocrisy and Space Marines trying to improve the galaxy go hand in hand. If you want to put a twist on it, make them all former criminals dragged out of a prison on the homeworld. Watch the crime rate plummet. :ph34r: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/214756-diy-chapter-organisation/#findComment-2567862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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