Starting a force

[Br0ther Rafen]

Hey guys

Recently, a friend of mine quit his Wolves and gave them to me. After some discussion on the forum, and some thinking it over in my head, i decided that i may as well put it use.

Anyway, here's a rough idea of what he gave me:

Logan and Njal

5-10 Termies with lots of loudouts.

2-3 Grey Hunters with Bolters

1 Blood Claw pack with CCW's

Thats just off the top of my head. I know it's pretty vague in terms of their armaments and numbers, but i'm not at home right now,

so i'll post the full thing when i get home.

Anyway, the question is what kind of force could i start with this?

Thanks in advance

Rafen

[the jeske]

not a very good one unless you also have rhinos and hvy weapon marines you didnt mention.

[CainTheHunter]

Any transports? You are pretty solid in troops section, now You should get Long Fangs with missiles, some transports, one or two runepriests and maybe scouts, if You fancy them. And You should decide whether You go mech, droppods or footslog. Logan does not work at full capacity with what You have now, since he needs essentially the list being built around him. Which Njal is it - power-armor or terminator? You can use him as ordinary runepriest at the beginning.

[Grey Mage]

Hey guys

Recently, a friend of mine quit his Wolves and gave them to me. After some discussion on the forum, and some thinking it over in my head, i decided that i may as well put it use.

Anyway, here's a rough idea of what he gave me:

Logan and Njal

5-10 Termies with lots of loudouts.

2-3 Grey Hunters with Bolters

1 Blood Claw pack with CCW's

Thats just off the top of my head. I know it's pretty vague in terms of their armaments and numbers, but i'm not at home right now,

so i'll post the full thing when i get home.

Anyway, the question is what kind of force could i start with this?

Thanks in advance

Rafen

 

Well, you could make a 750 Logan/WG list with what you have there.

 

I agree with jeske youd do better with some vehicles- a dread, maybe two, some scouts, and long fangs never hurt. Hrmm. As I recall though you do have some basic vehicles you can borrow from your other army?

 

Njal- PA or TDA? Probly TDA these days, but its worth checking on- each type has its advantages.

 

Id probly pick up a dread to start with, and run a small 'deathwing' style list, using the bloodclaws as PA WG to fill out your ranks a bit.

[Wysten]

First of all, pick what you want your army to do. Looking for terminator spam? Then chances are you are aiming for one of the two main varients.

 

Footslogging, which typically requires you to be deadly at range, using the terminators inherient toughness to resist damage as you blast them on the way up. These typically consist of a few 5 man squads of termies carrying missles, and Long Fangs carrying more missles. Fen/Thunder wolves/Skyclaws can act as a form of cover as you move up while not distracting too much from the nessiary and can distract the foe. Generally, the more threatening stuff you put down, the better. Which is why I am not so fussed on Njal, because his first powers are useless if they go first, and his last powers you either are winning, losing and he's dead or entangled in combat. I would much rather a pack of Thunder Wolf, you can deck out for cheaper, is simlarly tough and will probably draw the same level of fire.

 

Drop pod is the other, where they are dropped in to close the distance and use firepower to oblivate squads. Probably encourages the use of assualt cannons and the much cheaper heavy flamer, but the main thing is not every army is one you want to get close to, typically Orks by numbers and Mega Insects would love being close up, so plenty of crowd control and flamers would be needed to control them along with the typical melta's, though again a strong backrow of long fangs/mobile units quickly closing to melee distance would help.

 

 

That being said, just because you have terminators, don't mean they all have to be, just they are a hefty investment that really hurts when one does fall.

[Br0ther Rafen]

Hey guys, sorry for replying so late.

Heres exactly what i got:

Njal and Logan

10 Grey Hunters with a power sword, 2 plasma gunners

10 Blood Claws with a flamer and PW

10 Termies, 4 Hammernators (SS/TH), Assualt Cannon, Heavy Flamer, 2 LC's, a average (PF and SB), and a LC/SB Termy.

Also, i've got 9 guys that presume are PA Honour Guard. they have CCW's and BP's, multiple PW's and a Frost axe.

What about those loadouts?

[WG Vrox]

As mentioned you need to decide on a transport method, Rhinos or Drop Pods.

 

As Grey Mage mentioned you can run your list as is at 750 to get a feel for the game. but you are a bit unbalanced in that your all foot sloggin. meaning you have to walk to get to your opponent, to where depending on their list they can shot at you and move around your troops with transports staying out of your strike range.

 

Let's start off with this question, how much money do you want to spend?

[Grey Mage]

The 'Honor Gaurd' your mentioning would probly be a box of SWs done up as Wolf Gaurd in power armor. Same unit type as the TDA.

[Br0ther Rafen]

I don't mind spending to much money, but I don't want to have to spend MASSIVE amounts of cash.

My friend did't buy any tanks unfortunately, but I can buy some stuff.

[WG Vrox]

Well you can go a few different ways with a Logan list,

 

1. Transports which would include 2 Land Raiders to transport your Terminators and a few Rhnio's for your Grey Hunters, Blood Claws and WG in PA.

2. A drop pod list so, about 5 Drop Pods would do it

3. Something in between like 2 Drop Pods for your Terminators and rest Rhinos.

4. foot sloggin with some serious ranged units to back you up.

 

Once you decide how you want to move your troops around, the next thing to consider is your Elite Slotts since your WG count as troops with Logan, Fast troops and/or Heavy. but we can get there after you decide transportation.

 

Vrox

[slmellon]

Long Fangs!!! You are going to need some heavy weapon troopers, either buy some devestators or start ebaying some. Alot of people like the 5 ML load out, which can be hard to piece together.

[Br0ther Rafen]

I guess that i could use a Footslogging list.

What do you guys think that i might need for such a list, aside from Long Fangs?

[CainTheHunter]

I guess that i could use a Footslogging list.

What do you guys think that i might need for such a list, aside from Long Fangs?

 

 

Well, scouts and dreads/lone wolves Probly Land Speeder or two, as well as bikers, but I am not that familiar with the basic footslogging lists. In theory, You need everthing which is fast enough to cause some trouble and take out pie-plate deliverers, while You are footslogging over the table.

[Grey Mage]

I guess that i could use a Footslogging list.

What do you guys think that i might need for such a list, aside from Long Fangs?

For 1k to 1500...

 

A Dread or two. Some scouts, and a regular TDA box.

 

The dread help give you some fire support, and scouts give a threat to the enemies backboard wich forces them towards your TDA... and the TDA box will give you some heavy weapon options- The Cyclone Missile Launcher is a must have- and more numbers.

 

After that? A couple of Typhoons to add mobility to the force and increase the anti-tank firepower, and some Power Armored Wolf Gaurd with simple BP+CCW to fill out your numbers, and a drop pod or two for suprise elements. Also, a Whirlwind would make an excellent support unit, assisting against hordes and enemy sniper teams.

 

In any case, I recommend taking 1 stormshield per 3 terminators in the squad, rounding down. More gets expensive and takes away from your firepower- less exposes you to excessive danger from AP 2 weaponry.... last thing you want to do is become an expensive gaurdsmen.