Storm Shield and Runic Armor

[Brother Caleb]

I'm planning a thunderlord and I'm trying to get some input on the value of taking RA in addition to a SS.

 

Thoughts?

[Grey Mage]

Weight of fire is a powerful enemy, and the 2+ cuts the chance of a failed wound in half.

 

Is that worth 10% of a 200pt model? I think so.

[WG Vrox]

Depends on the rest of the load out of your IC.

 

Thinking about it any time I take a Storm Shield on a IC, I pretty much also take RA. The other time I like to take RA is when I am running an IC with a Plasma Pistol.

 

Sadly our Rune Priest no longer comes standard with RA, which I feel is a shame but thats a different story, but what I am getting at is I almost never take RA for my Rune Priest as he has no invol save, its seems a waste of points to put it on him. keeping him cheap around 100-115 is the way to go.

 

Wolf Priest on the other had seems to beg for RA as he has the 4+ invol save and I like to run a Plasma Pistol with him.

 

Wolf Lord, for sure as he is going to be targeted by every small gun and pion with a weapon and that 2+ save keeps the nasty hell fire rounds from an easy kill. Plus I am pretty much always giving a SS to my WL every time, which I already covered.

 

Battle Leader, depends but usually I pass on him having a SS and thus no RA keeping him cheap but effective.

 

 

EDIT: opps way more information than you were asking for. B)

 

Vrox

[Wysten]

Depends whether he will be in combat enough to use it.

 

That being said, I would probably put it down to personal preferance. If he's running by himself, definately, you need to save every wound you can. Even in thunder wolf packs it has it's merits, he can absorb what few normal attacks he does take if he goes it alone and can catch missles for the rest of the squad. Unlike Rune Priests he will be actively seeking out close combat, so runic armour will get a good use either way.

 

Brothers have less health in general, it's more debatable. The runic armour has less to defend, but the package is probably more expensive. Give him a thunder wolf and a wolf claw and sheild he comes to about 160. Runic armour may be a nice add, but to be honest I would rather him support other Thunder Wolf then going it alone.

[Rune_Priest_Rhapsody]

I occasionally run a Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf with Runic Armor and a Storm Shield. The IC is a lightning rod as it is, so increasing his chances of survival is worth the points to me. And once you get him into close combat, he most likely will rip through just about every squad he goes up against. I say yes to Runic Armor, and no to drugs.

 

-R_P_R

[Fred Johnson the 3rd jr]

Runic Armor makes it far less likely that your tricked out Thunderlord will die to lame-o non-power weapon close combat wounds. And who wants to see their Lord die from some measly ork boy attack?

[Chapter Master Ignis Domus]

It's definitely worth it. The 2+ save is excellent and really helps to keep him from dying from sheer weight of attacks. And the 5+ anti-psychic is an added bonus, though with a SS you probably won't need it.

[Prot]

For a normal human, I would say it is a good investment for an HQ if you can afford it.

 

However for someone of my species, it appears 'Runic Armour', or 'Terminator Armour' is code for: I am going to roll a one now.

 

I am reminded of a game I had recently where I had a mixed armour group of Wolf Guard. Basically I would point at a Wolf Guard in marine armour and roll a 2, then I would point at a Terminator and roll a 1. This happened for nearly the whole squad and my opponent (a good friend) was laughing so hard I thought he was going to wet his pelt.

[Growler67]

For a normal human, I would say it is a good investment for an HQ if you can afford it.

 

However for someone of my species, it appears 'Runic Armour', or 'Terminator Armour' is code for: I am going to roll a one now.

 

I am reminded of a game I had recently where I had a mixed armour group of Wolf Guard. Basically I would point at a Wolf Guard in marine armour and roll a 2, then I would point at a Terminator and roll a 1. This happened for nearly the whole squad and my opponent (a good friend) was laughing so hard I thought he was going to wet his pelt.

 

You dice have been cursed and bewitched. Time for a new set......and run them by the Rune Priest before using them so that they may enter battle with the appropriate Blessing of Russ.

 

That is all. Carry on

[Stormshrug]

For a normal human, I would say it is a good investment for an HQ if you can afford it.

 

However for someone of my species, it appears 'Runic Armour', or 'Terminator Armour' is code for: I am going to roll a one now.

 

I am reminded of a game I had recently where I had a mixed armour group of Wolf Guard. Basically I would point at a Wolf Guard in marine armour and roll a 2, then I would point at a Terminator and roll a 1. This happened for nearly the whole squad and my opponent (a good friend) was laughing so hard I thought he was going to wet his pelt.

 

 

Honestly, this is why I'm often resistant to fielding Storm Shields even when I know that I should. If I pay those extra points, the dice just seem to detect that there is that much more at stake and make sure to come up 2s and 1s for the occasion. I usually do cave to the weight of probability, but it never seems to help much.

 

-Stormshrug

[Wolf Guard Nostromo]

Thinking about it any time I take a Storm Shield on a IC, I pretty much also take RA. The other time I like to take RA is when I am running an IC with a Plasma Pistol.

 

Sadly our Rune Priest no longer comes standard with RA, which I feel is a shame but thats a different story, but what I am getting at is I almost never take RA for my Rune Priest as he has no invol save, its seems a waste of points to put it on him. keeping him cheap around 100-115 is the way to go.

These are my two rules of thumb - invunerable save, take RA if you have the points, while a Rune Priest always has to do without. However, it is a luxury and should be considered carefully if that vital 20 points could by you a key extra body or weapon somewhere else. On an expensive combat IC, its usually a good investment.

[Stormbrow II]

Yes. Definitely yes.

 

While I'd argue its not worth it on the other HQ choices I'd strongly recommend it on a Lord that is going to attract a *lot* of attention, especially when he's going to cost the same as a Land Raider.

[WG Vrox]

For a normal human, I would say it is a good investment for an HQ if you can afford it.

 

However for someone of my species, it appears 'Runic Armour', or 'Terminator Armour' is code for: I am going to roll a one now.

 

I am reminded of a game I had recently where I had a mixed armour group of Wolf Guard. Basically I would point at a Wolf Guard in marine armour and roll a 2, then I would point at a Terminator and roll a 1. This happened for nearly the whole squad and my opponent (a good friend) was laughing so hard I thought he was going to wet his pelt.

 

 

Honestly, this is why I'm often resistant to fielding Storm Shields even when I know that I should. If I pay those extra points, the dice just seem to detect that there is that much more at stake and make sure to come up 2s and 1s for the occasion. I usually do cave to the weight of probability, but it never seems to help much.

 

-Stormshrug

 

Buy Square Dice, no really I bet you are using those rounded edged dice and they are proven to roll 1's more often than pure square casino dice. Something to do with them being easier to spin and weight of the dots.

[Ranwulf]

Being wounded by Missile Lauchers, Leman Russ Battle Cannons... Yeah. You should get it.

 

Ran

[Stormbrow II]

Buy Square Dice, no really I bet you are using those rounded edged dice and they are proven to roll 1's more often than pure square casino dice. Something to do with them being easier to spin and weight of the dots.

Shenanigans!

 

As long as you and your opponent are using the same dice there'll be no problems. IF however you're using Casino dice and he's not be prepared for hassle.

[Max_Dammit]

Buy Square Dice, no really I bet you are using those rounded edged dice and they are proven to roll 1's more often than pure square casino dice. Something to do with them being easier to spin and weight of the dots.

Shenanigans!

 

As long as you and your opponent are using the same dice there'll be no problems. IF however you're using Casino dice and he's not be prepared for hassle.

 

Why, i can use the dice i want, if he wont fork for the casino type dice its his problem, the B&C dice are more like casino dice, would you complain if id use them?

[Tsavong Lah]

Buy Square Dice, no really I bet you are using those rounded edged dice and they are proven to roll 1's more often than pure square casino dice. Something to do with them being easier to spin and weight of the dots.

 

Uh, the GW dice dots are recessed holes, making the side with the least dots the heaviest... so technically those dice should roll 6's the most. I think you've fallen victim to dice superstition...

 

...but who am I to talk? I leave all of my dice sitting with the 1's facing up when I'm not rolling them. It charges all of the 1's out and I consequently almost never roll that low.

[Chapter Master Ignis Domus]

What?! That's insanity! You always have the sixes facing up so the molecules shift to the bottom, causing the bottom to be heavier.

[Hear da Lamentation]

What?! That's insanity! You always have the sixes facing up so the molecules shift to the bottom, causing the bottom to be heavier.

 

CLASSIC !!!

[Prot]

For a normal human, I would say it is a good investment for an HQ if you can afford it.

 

However for someone of my species, it appears 'Runic Armour', or 'Terminator Armour' is code for: I am going to roll a one now.

 

I am reminded of a game I had recently where I had a mixed armour group of Wolf Guard. Basically I would point at a Wolf Guard in marine armour and roll a 2, then I would point at a Terminator and roll a 1. This happened for nearly the whole squad and my opponent (a good friend) was laughing so hard I thought he was going to wet his pelt.

 

 

Honestly, this is why I'm often resistant to fielding Storm Shields even when I know that I should. If I pay those extra points, the dice just seem to detect that there is that much more at stake and make sure to come up 2s and 1s for the occasion. I usually do cave to the weight of probability, but it never seems to help much.

 

-Stormshrug

 

Buy Square Dice, no really I bet you are using those rounded edged dice and they are proven to roll 1's more often than pure square casino dice. Something to do with them being easier to spin and weight of the dots.

 

Yes, I've found all the info on this and I think it's true. Oddly enough I had access to square dice, a year ago when the mods got together and had some dice made up I got quite a few of these buggers. And I really think I roll 'average' with them as compared to below average with those rounded, little, drilled pipped Chessex.

 

Before this turns into a debate, I personally only have a problem with people that only roll certain dice for certain occassions. I know a competitive player that only rolls certain dice for leadership for instance, and certain dice 'to hit' for example.

 

:P

[WG Vrox]

Before this turns into a debate, I personally only have a problem with people that only roll certain dice for certain occassions. I know a competitive player that only rolls certain dice for leadership for instance, and certain dice 'to hit' for example.

 

If I noticed his dice rolls were over average I would call a judge over and let him put the dice in the fish tank

[Grey Mage]

Before this turns into a debate, I personally only have a problem with people that only roll certain dice for certain occassions. I know a competitive player that only rolls certain dice for leadership for instance, and certain dice 'to hit' for example.

 

If I noticed his dice rolls were over average I would call a judge over and let him put the dice in the fish tank

Id take that test, but assuming I was winning at that point Id ask you to concede for wasting time if they all sank.

[Stormbrow II]

Why, i can use the dice i want, if he wont fork for the casino type dice its his problem, the B&C dice are more like casino dice, would you complain if id use them?

Casino dice roll a more averaged result i.e. 1 to 6 is more even than the GW or Chessex ones as they vary more toward rolling 1's and 2's. If my opponents dice aren't one of those two sizes (GW/Chessex) then either I'm putting mine away or he's putting his away so there's no doubt in my mind.

[WG Vrox]

Id take that test, but assuming I was winning at that point Id ask you to concede for wasting time if they all sank.

 

I wouldn't concede the game, but I would concede you have good dice.

 

My understanding of bad dice if if when they fall and they show 6 at the bottom meaning they are weighted to do so.

[Tsavong Lah]

What?! That's insanity! You always have the sixes facing up so the molecules shift to the bottom, causing the bottom to be heavier.

 

Hey man, you can't argue with results. :lol:

 

I figure those 6's get tired of sitting on their asses all the time and consequently fight to come up for some fresh air.