Alphz Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Freakin brilliant man! Just the inspiration I need to tackle a good reincarnation of Khârn the betrayer as I feel his model suffers the same 'static-pose cause I was built in an age of older molding methods but I look so sweet a new model makes it hard to do me justice' syndrome. However, I'm not entirely sold on the cloak once all the other bits are added. Its starts to choke the model a little and to be honest Abby has never really struck me as a cloak kinda guy. Its either a tabard or cloak. Or maybe just the type of cloak you've used, a more regal type would be appropriate but I understand thats tough in plastic as plastic cloaks just tend to be lacklustre IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subtlebrush Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 :P WOW! I've seen some Abaddons in my day but damn this one takes the cake. Amazing job. Hope you can get him all painted up soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverike_prime Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 What you should do is have a series of painted heads for the fist that you can interchange depending on your opponent :P Oh, also, awesome! yeah... lemme think.... I'd just need to buy 1 Chaos lord kit for each head so I could build the claws for each crushed helmet... and I'd need a helmet for Blood angels, Blood Ravens, Relictors, Black Templars, Nova Marines, Ultramarines, Dark Angels, Angels of Redemption, Desciples of Caliban, Angels Encarmine, Angels Sanguine, Angels Vermillion, Blood Drinkers, Exsanguinators, Flesh Eaters, Flesh Tearers, Knights of Blood, Knights Sanguine, Lamenters, Blood Swords, Blood Legion, The white scars, Marauders, Rampagers, Destroyers, Storm Lords, Black Templars, Crimson Fists, Soul Drinkers, the .... yeah. $10,000 later.... Not that that particular ability wouldn't be awesome.... yeah. Not implementable. Unless you want to loan me your credit card that is. *hint* *hint* Looks absolutely awesome man! But... oooh I hate doing this, but I think he might look a bit better with the sword pointing a bit more outwards, not so close to his body, you know? Anyway, looking very much forward to seeing him painted! Yeah, welcome to the wonderful world of converters. Nothing is ever perfect. Everything can be better. What was that saying that Stan Winston always used when ever he talked about his work in movies? "Everything is development for the next project" I think it was? Yeah, same idea here. I'm thinking of continuing with this particular little... working project and building a series of 8 other Chaos lords, one for each of the Chaos Legions. So everything's gonna be a learning experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverike_prime Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 So right now I'm sitting in the middle of my algebra class listening to the teacher drone on about complimentary angles (Why does it take so long to explain that complimentary angles, when added together, equal 90 degrees?) and my mind is wondering. Having finished Abaddon last night my mind is back to modeling and I've decided to go ahead with my idea of building a series of Legion lords. So first thing I need to do is assemble of what lords I'm going to be building. 1) World Eaters Lord 2) Emperor's Children Lord 3) Iron Warriors War smith 4) Death Guard Lord 5) Thousand Sons lord 6) Word Bearers Dark Apostle 7) Alpha Legion Commander 8) Night Lords... well, lord. So now what I need to do is start compiling details and ideas for the various lords. 1) World Eaters Lord -The World Eaters are to my understanding the single most broken legion in the fluff. The effects of near constant infighting, following the Horus Heresy, combined with constant territory battles with the other legions, culminating in Khârn's sundering of the legion has left the World Eater legion broken and debased. Far removed from any form of military discipline, the World Eaters now operate in small groups, or packs with the strongest taking the role of leader, though for the world eaters 'leader' simply means the person who can draw the most blood and collect the most skulls. This break down of the legion has lead to members becoming highly individualized. There is little in the way of unit markings and ranks designations. Leaders are not holders of rank, they are leader by virtue of their abilities in combat. An individual leader will have his own marking, or icon that his followers may, or may not adopt to their armor. Regardless, the Lords are going to be highly accomplished champions, their armors worn and well used caked with dried blood, skulls hanging from their armor, a testament to their past accomplishments. Their weapons are brutal and far removed from any elegance, being used as much for psychological shock value as for any combat ability. Their favored weapons being chains bladed weapons such as the chains sword and the less often seen Chain axe, though pistols and other short range fire arms are not uncommon. So with these thoughts in mind, a World Eaters lord will need to be a brutal fighter deadly and highly accomplished his armor showing the efforts of his legacy. It will be messy, and pitted and broken but functional in it’s most basic operations. The soft tubbing of the joints will be broken, bent and ruptured, the edges of the hard armor pitted, chipped, and scratched. Each abrasion as much a victory laurel as a break in the armor. 2) Emperor's Children Lord 3) Iron Warriors War smith -The Iron Warriors were the siege specialists of the heresy, well trained in architecture, artillery, and trench war far. They made frequent use of bunker buster techniques and equipment and heavy artillery to pound an enemy into oblivion if not submission. Having little patience for close combat engagements, those Iron Warriors that did specialize in it tried to maximize their advantages to win the fight as quickly, and as efficiently as possible. Often making use of Terminator armor with brutal close combat weapons such as chain fists, Heavy flamers, and lightning claws. Unlike most space marine legions, the Iron Warriors maintain a considerable amount of technical ability in the rank and file members of the legion with many squad level battle brothers making use a Servo arm, both as a weapon of combat and to make battle field repairs to legion equipment. Their lords would there fore be an extremely cold individual, constantly calculating, constantly planning. They would care little for individual achievements, instead urging their charges on to a coordinated victory with the minimal losses. Many of them would be consummate mechanists, making use of servo arms. 4) Death Guard Lord 5) Thousand Sons lord 6) Word Bearers Dark Apostle 7) Alpha Legion Commander 8) Night Lords... well, lord. I will be adding more to this post as the day goes on. Now I actually have to do something in class. Reason for Edit: I'm a dumb ass and wrote Iron Hands when I was thinking Iron Warriors. Yeah, perturbo is coming at me with his warhammer right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Wouldnt the Night Lords have something abit different title wise? A bit like Shadow Captains for Ravenguard? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I'm guessing you mean Iron WARRIORS Warsmith? ;) Anyway, I'd love to see a World Eaters lord that doesn't look like he's just boss "cuz he kill good," but is actually a proper warrior with enough brains to form a battle plan, albeit a bit bloodthirsty and insane.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverike_prime Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 Wouldnt the Night Lords have something abit different title wise? A bit like Shadow Captains for Ravenguard? ;) probably. That's part of the first stage of planning I'm doing now. I don't have my 40k books with me right now, so I don't have them to refer to right now. If anyone knows of another title a Night Lords Lord would have, please toss it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Looks absolutely awesome man! But... oooh I hate doing this, but I think he might look a bit better with the sword pointing a bit more outwards, not so close to his body, you know? Anyway, looking very much forward to seeing him painted! Gotta agree with this. One, it looks awesome. Two, i think if the sword was pointing outwards a bit it'd look even better. But you're probably loath to slice his wrist off and reposition... Three, you must paint this awesome model! Great work. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverike_prime Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 BTW: I'm also posting the information for the other 8 lords to promote discussion and generate ideas. So if I've posted something about the legions or their lords that you disagree with, please post about it. Tell me why, explain what makes you think differently. I want this information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Your take on Abaddon is amazing, I have also been rather "Bored" with the old Abaddon and wanting to make my own, yours is an inspiration! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 maverike, that is an amazing model! The conversions that have been come up with on this forum are awesome, and I applaud your conversion contest stuff, it's inspired me to think about how I would do some of the projects, even though I haven't even considered taking part. Personally, I think the sword is great where it is, but something that I think could give it just a shade more realism would be a small adjustment to the knuckles/joints in the Talon. Depending on how you paint it, it may help to add some kind of groove (could probably just be painted on) or other hint of motion functionality to the joints. Either way, awesome model! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zincite Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Ouch, looking at that hurt it was so cool. However (And I'm pretty sure I've seen all the photos this time around) the loin cloth is a bit off. Shouldn't the lower right 'point' of the cloth (the side that's touching the stone) be folded, since it would have to be very firm cloth to maintain that point? Otherwise, that model is awesomeness made manifest. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Riorik Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Now there's an Abbadon that even having the dreaded top knot, you would have no qualms about fielding. Super work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkyninja1988 Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 For the interchangable claw just go here btw: http://www.bitsandkits.co.uk/chaos-termina...pair-p-401.html Or ask me very nicely as i have a pair spare :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 As an old Black Legion player (and someone whom is considering a return to them), I love this Conversion. Abaddon how he should look! If GW did a mini like this one, It'd be the first thing I bought! :D Looking forward to your other Chaos Lords too :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 :D :) :jaw: :jaw: :cry: It's...it's...it's just too awesome! I envy your abilities with great envy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retributis Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 I love the model, especially the claw! However the only thing I would change is putting the thumb of the claw behind the helmet, holding it. At the moment it looks a bit awkward squishing the helmet against his palm with just his fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Nightlords seem to have very personal titles. The original captain of the 10th company was the "war-sage" whilst Acerbus Krieg was the "Axemaster", Zso Sahaal of the 1st company is the "Talonmaster". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverike_prime Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 I'm returning to this project. the next phase will involve a series of 9 models. 1 'perfected' Abaddon a corrected version of the conversion I've detailed here, and 8 Legion lords each individualized for their respective legion. So my first step will developing the idea of each lord. So, first thing listing out the models to develop. 1) World Eaters Lord 2) Emperor's Children Lord 3) Iron Warriors War smith 4) Death Guard Lord 5) Thousand Sons lord 6) Word Bearers Dark Apostle 7) Alpha Legion Commander 8) Night Lords Talon Lord So now what I need to do is start compiling details and ideas for the various lords. 1) World Eaters Lord -The World Eaters are to my understanding the single most broken legion in the fluff. The effects of near constant infighting, following the Horus Heresy, combined with constant territory battles with the other legions, culminating in Khârn's sundering of the legion has left the World Eater legion broken and debased. Far removed from any form of military discipline, the World Eaters now operate in small groups, or packs with the strongest taking the role of leader, though for the world eaters 'leader' simply means the person who can draw the most blood and collect the most skulls. This break down of the legion has lead to members becoming highly individualized. There is little in the way of unit markings and ranks designations. Leaders are not holders of rank, they are leader by virtue of their abilities in combat. An individual leader will have his own marking, or icon that his followers may, or may not adopt to their armor. Regardless, the Lords are going to be highly accomplished champions, their armors worn and well used caked with dried blood, skulls hanging from their armor, a testament to their past accomplishments. Their weapons are brutal and far removed from any elegance, being used as much for psychological shock value as for any combat ability. Their favored weapons being chains bladed weapons such as the chains sword and the less often seen Chain axe, though pistols and other short range fire arms are not uncommon. So with these thoughts in mind, a World Eaters lord will need to be a brutal fighter deadly and highly accomplished his armor showing the efforts of his legacy. It will be messy, and pitted and broken but functional in it’s most basic operations. The soft tubbing of the joints will be broken, bent and ruptured, the edges of the hard armor pitted, chipped, and scratched. Each abrasion as much a victory laurel as a break in the armor. 2) Emperor's Children Lord 3) Iron Warriors War smith -The Iron Warriors were the siege specialists of the heresy, well trained in architecture, artillery, and trench war far. They made frequent use of bunker buster techniques and equipment and heavy artillery to pound an enemy into oblivion if not submission. Having little patience for close combat engagements, those Iron Warriors that did specialize in it tried to maximize their advantages to win the fight as quickly, and as efficiently as possible. Often making use of Terminator armor with brutal close combat weapons such as chain fists, Heavy flamers, and lightning claws. Unlike most space marine legions, the Iron Warriors maintain a considerable amount of technical ability in the rank and file members of the legion with many squad level battle brothers making use a Servo arm, both as a weapon of combat and to make battle field repairs to legion equipment. Their lords would there fore be an extremely cold individual, constantly calculating, constantly planning. They would care little for individual achievements, instead urging their charges on to a coordinated victory with the minimal losses. Many of them would be consummate mechanist, making use of servo arms. 4) Death Guard Lord 5) Thousand Sons Grand Sorcerer -Masters of magic, telekinesis, precognition, and Sorcerory, a Thousand Sons Grand Sorcerer would be a fearsome opponent driven toward their goals to the exclusion of all else. Seeking their own knowledge for their own ends. They will have acrued lots of daemonic Talismans, familiars, elixirs and alchemical booster chemicals. 6) Word Bearers Dark Apostle -Warrior priests of the dark gods, the Dark Apostles are the Uber-chaplins of the Chaos Legions. Every bit as dangerous with their words as a World Eater is with his chain swords. I really liked the way the pre-heresy word Bearers were presented in the book the First Herectic. Pios warriors driven by their belief that displayed their belief on their armor. The Dark Apostles would exemplify that to an extreme. They will have been gifted great powers and abilities by their Dark Gods. The more powerful ones would probably have gifts from all the gods. Much like how Abaddon carries talismans from all four dark gods, the Dark Apostles would display allegiance to no-one god specifically. A serrated blade dripping with blood, a gift from Khorne. An armor of entrapped, enraptured, and constantly tortured souls, presented by Slaanesh. A talisman of knowledge and precognition, granted by the Changer of Ways, and and oozing pestilent spewing weapon given by Grand Father Nurgle. A Dark apostle would carry all of these, and still proclaim allegiance to no one god. 7) Alpha Legion Commander 8) Night Lords Talon Lord -The Nightlords operate more like packs or gangs then anything appearing as a formalized military. Because of this each leader is going to be very individualized, much like the World Eater lords. The difference is while the World Eaters are leaders of experience, and bear every mark, scar and rent in their armor as victory laurals, a Night Lord commander will fashion their armor with icons of death, and terror. They assault the mind as much as the body. Images of skulls, flayed skin, demonic leering faces and viscious barbed weapons are all common amongst the Night Lords. I don't think it's outside the legions character to have a leader who is a former Librarian sort of person, one who spends the time and effort to learn the local lore and fashion his armor and tactics in a way to emulate the deamons and devils of the local lore. Daemonic wings, fiery glowing eyes, and large razor edges talons I think would be entirely appropriate for this fella. -- I'm thinking of making him a power armored figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 awsome model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryphaus 101 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 You're conversion of Abaddon is awesome! You should send a pic to GW! For the Night Lords lord thing, maybe look at Soul Hunter for inspiration. For example, Talos' helmet is painted with a white skull and Usas has a daemonic face on his. Sorry about the necromancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Discord Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Damn. Now this is a thread I want to see come back to life. The Legion demands it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverike_prime Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 Weeeeellll I have been giving some thought to returning to this project and expanding it. So I guess I will. So what I'm going to do is take the same approach I took with Abaddon, and apply it to other characters who's models could use an update. Characters such as: http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/maverike_prime/CB-ezekyle.jpg Leaders such as: http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/maverike_prime/CB-logan_grimnar.jpg and Solders such as: http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/maverike_prime/CB-ragnar_blackmane.jpg With Grimnar I've got a pretty good starting place with the convertion in this video: I think the modeling started with a lot of good ideas, and just took them too far. The cloak being the single biggest point of annoyance for me. At that length, the cloak would be more a problem for Grimnar then any sort of regal adornment. Still I think the model has some good ideas. I really love the over all "brutalness" of the model. That's pretty much how I envision Grimnar fighting, a very rabid approach, very animalistic. He chopped down the Necron warrior and then shot the Ork and probably didn't think that one was a Necron and the other was an Ork. A lot like an Alpha pack leader defending his territory. I think that's a good point of consideration for Grimnar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 How did I not see this before? This is an awesome Abaddon, and I look forward to seeing the other lords, especially the Warsmith. Good stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biohazard Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 That Grimnar conversion is fantastic. I agree on the cloak front although it looks great on a display piece. Im still itching to see your take on a Worldeater Lord. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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