Blood Scions

[Lord Heremes]

I've been a long time lurker and ive been thinking of creating my own chapter for a long time.

before i get into trying to work on a first draft id like to get my some input on the basics concepts of my chapter

founding:13th

gene seed: Blood Angels (Angels Encarmine training cadre)

home world: Onatarium

Segmentum tempestus

-use of drugs to help control black rage and red thrist but does not eliminate them.

-tribal nature leading to many honor duels

-codex adherent

before the discovery of the plant which produces the drug on there home planet there was a higher then average rate of falling to the black rage.

even with the use of honor duels i wish my marines to have stronger then average bonds of brotherhood, this would stem from something along the lines of: the chapter recognizes that there curse come from the betrayal of Horus killing his brother Sanguinius. The chapter still has some marines who fall to chaos as does most chapters but any who do become corrupt are viciously hunted down for breaking the bonds of there brotherhood. This also leads to a great hate for all chaos marines even tho they do not encounter them often.

The bond of brotherhood also extends to Librarians so that these brother psykers are completely accepted within the chapter without prejudice or unease. This does not extend to outside psykers however, so even sanctified psykers are looked upon with extreme suspicion.

the chapters apothecaries also tend to vast underground gardens where they cultivate and attempt to better there drug in hopes of eventualy finding a cure to there curse ( still working on a name for this drug)

I want to take inspiration from the Salamanders and there ritual scaring before campaigns but instead of branding i wish to use tattoo's. example: a scout will receive the chapter emblem somewhere on they're body and wont be noticeable but by the time they are a captain or a veteran most of they're bodies are covered in intricate tribal tattoo which stand as a testimony to there achievements.

As with the blood angels they are slightly assault squad heavy.

first draft of there color scheme, unsure of what they're chapter badge will be

comments and criticism welcome and even encouraged.

let the purging beging :P

edited and updated let me know what you think ;)

[Ace Debonair]

I've been a long time lurker and ive been thinking of creating my own chapter for a long time.

 

before i get into trying to work on a first draft id like to get my some input on the basics concepts of my chapter

 

founding:13th

gene seed: blood angels (through a later founding)

home world: Onatarium

Segmentum tempestus

-use of drugs to help control black rage and red thrist but does not eliminate them.

-tribal nature leading to many honor duels

-codex adherent

Welcome to the Liber! I'll firstly point you to the DIY guide stickied at the top of the forum, in case you haven't read it. ^_^

 

What you've got seems pretty solid. If I've understood correctly, they're BA geneseed, but it was taken from one of the BA's other successors?

 

All this chapter really needs to get off the ground now is a dash of personality - a bit of character. What are marines from this chapter like?

[Hrvat]

All of these are good ideas now you have to expand upon them.

 

Oh and wellcome to Liber. May your stay be as productive as possible.

 

Cheers

 

Hrvat

[Lord Heremes]

edited and updated any thoughts?

[Lord Heremes]

would the use of drugs be accepted by other chapters? i assume other blood angels would understand the reasons for it but any other chapter from another gene-seed would not be privy to the knowledge of the black rage?

[NightrawenII]

ok. After very looooong and carefull consideration, I'm going to C&C:

 

-use of drugs to help control black rage and red thrist but does not eliminate them.

Here you are touching one of Don'ts of DIY, Don’t have your chapter cure the Curse of Sanguinius, I'm not saying it's wrong just:

#A We don't know what is exactly the source of the Curse, so your drug is going to work more or less on the handwavium.

#B If is your drug so successful, it raise the question: Why don't BA's use it too?

 

before the discovery of the plant which produces the drug on there home planet there was a higher then average rate of falling to the black rage.

I would avoid this mention, it just emphasises the success of the drug.

 

even with the use of honor duels i wish my marines to have stronger then average bonds of brotherhood, this would stem from something along the lines of: the chapter recognizes that there curse come from the betrayal of Horus killing his brother Sanguinius.

This is actually nice spot on, very nice.

You could keep the honor duels as the means of ventilation of the Red Thirst.

 

The bond of brotherhood also extends to Librarians so that these brother psykers are completely accepted within the chapter without prejudice or unease. This does not extend to outside psykers however, so even sanctified psykers are looked upon with extreme suspicion.

This is odd to be honest. You either accept the psykers or not.

Of course you could always go the way of SW's. The Wolves hate psykers, but they believe that the Runic Priests manipulate the Powers of Nature or something.

 

I want to take inspiration from the Salamanders and there ritual scaring before campaigns but instead of branding i wish to use tattoo's. example: a scout will receive the chapter emblem somewhere on they're body and wont be noticeable but by the time they are a captain or a veteran most of they're bodies are covered in intricate tribal tattoo which stand as a testimony to there achievements.

Heh, shamelessly stolen from Sig's Gryphon Guard don't ya? :P

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

ok. After very looooong and carefull consideration, I'm going to C&C:

 

-use of drugs to help control black rage and red thrist but does not eliminate them.

Here you are touching one of Don'ts of DIY, Don’t have your chapter cure the Curse of Sanguinius, I'm not saying it's wrong just:

#A We don't know what is exactly the source of the Curse, so your drug is going to work more or less on the handwavium.

#B If is your drug so successful, it raise the question: Why don't BA's use it too?

 

I'm inlined to disagree with Nightrawen here - I like that it doesn't completely do it, but it does stave it off some... As for why the rest of the Blood Angels won't use it, maybe because it's highly addictive and if the addiction isn't satisfied the marine starts to flip out and become more likely to fall? That, combined with possible low amounts of the plants, because of atmospeheric conditions, and they're more afraid of tampering with it than the Admech is with geneseed?

 

An idea, then.

 

before the discovery of the plant which produces the drug on there home planet there was a higher then average rate of falling to the black rage.

I would avoid this mention, it just emphasises the success of the drug.

 

even with the use of honor duels i wish my marines to have stronger then average bonds of brotherhood, this would stem from something along the lines of: the chapter recognizes that there curse come from the betrayal of Horus killing his brother Sanguinius.

This is actually nice spot on, very nice.

You could keep the honor duels as the means of ventilation of the Red Thirst.

 

I'm inclined to agree with Nightrawen on these points, however.

 

The bond of brotherhood also extends to Librarians so that these brother psykers are completely accepted within the chapter without prejudice or unease. This does not extend to outside psykers however, so even sanctified psykers are looked upon with extreme suspicion.

This is odd to be honest. You either accept the psykers or not.

Of course you could always go the way of SW's. The Wolves hate psykers, but they believe that the Runic Priests manipulate the Powers of Nature or something.

 

That's because SWs are even more arrogant than 1000 Sons... :D

 

I get what you're trying to say, though. Librarians are your battle brothers, there's no reason not to trust them, but those other psykers aren't part of the brotherhood, they are mere mortals...

 

I want to take inspiration from the Salamanders and there ritual scaring before campaigns but instead of branding i wish to use tattoo's. example: a scout will receive the chapter emblem somewhere on they're body and wont be noticeable but by the time they are a captain or a veteran most of they're bodies are covered in intricate tribal tattoo which stand as a testimony to there achievements.

Heh, shamelessly stolen from Sig's Gryphon Guard don't ya? ;)

Actually, he said he took it from Salamander :)

[elohimalpha]

I also like the "better living through chemistry" angle, but there for sure needs to be some equally (or greater for extra grimdark flavor) negative side-effects - something like "lessens the Red Thirst but accelerates the onset of the Black Rage". It should for sure be addictive, and I wouldn't worry about other Chapters finding out that your boys are on smack - Blood Angels already have a reputation for secrecy, so what's one more secret? And that would explain why the BAs don't use it: they 1) don't know about it, or 2) know about it and feel the benefits aren't worth the consequences, or 3) know about it (maybe your Chapter told the Blood Angels in the hope of "making their parents proud"), find it a disgusting habit and a sign of weakness, and now heavily scrutinize the Blood Scions for any sign of Corruption!

 

Good points so far, and I'm looking forward to seeing where this is heading!

[Chapter Master Ignis Domus]

Firstly, I recommend the Guide to DIYing and the Octaguide 2.0. And now for your post:

 

founding:13th

 

Why 13th founding(any particular reason)?

 

 

-use of drugs to help control black rage and red thrist but does not eliminate them.

This, as stated above is one of the Don'ts of DIYing? You would have to explain why no one else uses it. Plus, this is the Curse of Sanguinius. It's not going to be cured that easily.

 

the chapters apothecaries also tend to vast underground gardens where they cultivate and attempt to better there drug in hopes of eventualy finding a cure to there curse ( still working on a name for this drug)

 

See above.

[Shinzaren]

Actually, he said he took it from Salamander :D

The Salamanders use extensive ritual branding with superheated metal to create an intricate series of raised scars. The Gryphon Guard, about whom Sigi just posted, use tattooing rather extensively, instead of branding. See here:

 

"...The other major example is of the chapter's use of tattoos, mirroring that of the tribesmen of the jungle. These abstract markings reflect the life of the marine, detailing his rank, achievements and victories. Made from the coltgavu vine's dye, the intricate tattoos are spread over the marine's entire body by the honoured master tattooists within the chapter serfs..."

-IA: The Gryphon Guard: Section 2 (Homeworld); Paragraph 3, Sentence 4. Written by Codicier Sigismund Himself.

 

Not saying that is where Lord Heremes got it from, but that is what NightrawenII was referencing. I'm guessing it was merely coincidence is all.

[NightrawenII]

ok. After very looooong and carefull consideration, I'm going to C&C:

 

-use of drugs to help control black rage and red thrist but does not eliminate them.

Here you are touching one of Don'ts of DIY, Don’t have your chapter cure the Curse of Sanguinius, I'm not saying it's wrong just:

#A We don't know what is exactly the source of the Curse, so your drug is going to work more or less on the handwavium.

#B If is your drug so successful, it raise the question: Why don't BA's use it too?

 

I'm inlined to disagree with Nightrawen here - I like that it doesn't completely do it, but it does stave it off some... As for why the rest of the Blood Angels won't use it, maybe because it's highly addictive and if the addiction isn't satisfied the marine starts to flip out and become more likely to fall? That, combined with possible low amounts of the plants, because of atmospeheric conditions, and they're more afraid of tampering with it than the Admech is with geneseed?

 

An idea, then.

I have known someone is going to disagree with me. :tu: To explain myself better, I said touching not doing, so my comment was rather warning than disagreement.

 

Your and elohimalpha's ideas are quite good, though.

 

Heh, shamelessly stolen from Sig's Gryphon Guard don't ya? :huh:

Actually, he said he took it from Salamander ;)

Shinzaren got it right.

This is no way accusation, just venomous remark. :huh:

[Lord Heremes]

thanks for the feedback everyone :)

 

so i thought that as long as i didn't cure the curse i wouldn't be going against the diy guide and i wasn't planning on having the drug affect the curse itself, more the expression of anger or something along those lines so that the marines can function normally. at this point i'm unsure weather to keep this aspect of the chapter because it looks like i'm getting opinions from both sides.

 

so to clear a few things up, i chose the 13th founding for a few different reasons. As a 13th founding chapter it would give the chapter some extra age as well as would give a reason to have my marines suffer worse from there curse and thus push them to find a way to alleviate it. (if i remember correctly alot of chapters from the 13th founding had something messed up with them) if i drop the use of drugs then ill have less reason to chose the 13th founding but i feel like id rather keep it to an earlier founding simply cause i enjoy the feeling of having a long history.

 

i think Dark Apostle understood my concept of brotherhood, i should have explained it a bit better, chapter serfs and brothers have all proven they're commitment to the brotherhood. in the chapter's eye the rest of humanity have broken they're loyalty to the emperor for personal gain to many times in the past and so cannot be trusted.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

I have known someone is going to disagree with me. <_< To explain myself better, I said touching not doing, so my comment was rather warning than disagreement.

 

Your and elohimalpha's ideas are quite good, though.

 

Heh, shamelessly stolen from Sig's Gryphon Guard don't ya? ;)

Actually, he said he took it from Salamander :huh:

Shinzaren got it right.

This is no way accusation, just venomous remark. B)

Sorry, my friend, I meant no disrespect, just saying it how I saw it :P I mis-saw what you meant with the first comment, my bad.