Chalx the grey Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 FAQ 1.1 of the BRB: If only some of the models in a unit have the Stealth special rule, does the whole unit benefit from the +1 cover save? (p76) A: Yes. In effect the ones with the Stealth special rule ensure their colleagues also find good places to hide. Am I wrong or Saga of Hunter can be used to give stealth to any infantry unit in the codex? It should if "one" counts as "some", which I think it does, and it makes sense from the description. A Battle leader with saga of the Hunter would help his comrades find the best hiding spots, wouldn't he? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldogging Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 "One" does fit under the definition of some. Sounds like it works as you think to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2565872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Wait... Thunder Wolf with stealth could be the next big thing? Good luck shooting at me in cover, I have 2+ saves on my pack. Hehehe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2565879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
breng77 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 it seems like it would work, however, I cannot see that many good uses for it as only Wolf Priests and Battle leaders can take this saga. The ideal would be to have this with your long fangs so they get a 3+ cover save. The question is would a 3+ cover save be worth 80 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2565882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdall Skullcrusher Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Wait... Thunder Wolf with stealth could be the next big thing? Good luck shooting at me in cover, I have 2+ saves on my pack. Hehehe How do you plan on getting 2+ cover saves? I can see 3+... BTW: Not possible anyways, Saga of the Hunter specifies Infantry only Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2565889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 The word 'some' to me indicates you'd need at least 2 but probably 3 models with the stealth rule to benefit from this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2565895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
breng77 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 some /sʌm; unstressed səm/ Show Spelled[suhm; unstressed suhm] Show IPA –adjective 1. being an undetermined or unspecified one: Some person may object. 2. (used with plural nouns) certain: Some days I stay home. 3. of a certain unspecified number, amount, degree, etc.: to some extent. Definition #1-3 are could be singular. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2565900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldogging Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Yep "1" is some by the accepted definition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2565913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 That's nothing... Think Commissars with Camo cloaks in IG blob units. You gotta love how little they think these things out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2565939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf363839 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Lord Comissars can make an infantry blob "stealth" (if there is such a thing on a human wave). But I forget if a camo cloak is even an option for a Lord Comissar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarul Greystalker Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 This has implications for footslogging lists. Think about giving a screening unit stealth with a wolf priest, then covering it with stormcaller. You could walk a large unit of blood claws or fenrisian wolves in front of the rest of your army, while giving them a 4+ cover save in open terrain. A wolf priest with saga of the hunter could have other uses as well. Later in the game, you could join it to an objective-holder unit and go to ground in cover, giving you a 2+ cover save and fearlessness. This unit would be very difficult to kill or shift with shooting and could counter attack if charged. You could use a wolf guard battle leader for this as well if you didn't need to be fearless (units that have gone to ground can't fall back anyway). Of course, stealth would be very helpful to wolf scouts as well, allowing them to overcome the weakness of their less impressive armor saves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarul Greystalker Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 The more I think about this rule the more I really like it. Adarul (my wolf guard battle leader with saga of the hunter) just got a lot more useful, and I can't wait to try putting him in wolf scout and grey hunter packs using this new rule. Of course, other armies will be able to make use of this as well. Camo cloaks are indeed an option for lord commissars, meaning that infantry blobs with 2+ cover saves will not only be possible, they will also be able to act normally during their turns due to the "Get Back in the Fight!" order available to company commanders (including Straken). I don't personally run infantry blobs with my IG because I don't play them competitively, but unless I'm missing something, those who do will certainly be looking to make use of this fact. Fortunately, we have the versatility to be able to charge in if the enemy uses this tactic, but I feel bad for pure shooting armies that will have to fight the new and improved IG blobs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 That's nothing... Think Commissars with Camo cloaks in IG blob units. You gotta love how little they think these things out. It doesnt work. Stealth is one of those things that doesnt transfer over with an IC- specifically. Its only if its actually a member model of the unit, not an attached IC that this will work. Examples- Telion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepDarkSecret Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Wait... Thunder Wolf with stealth could be the next big thing? Good luck shooting at me in cover, I have 2+ saves on my pack. Hehehe Problem is hunter is "Infantry only" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldogging Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 That's nothing... Think Commissars with Camo cloaks in IG blob units. You gotta love how little they think these things out. It doesnt work. Stealth is one of those things that doesnt transfer over with an IC- specifically. Its only if its actually a member model of the unit, not an attached IC that this will work. Examples- Telion. I don't doubt your knowledge, but for my information, what page is that on? Thanks a lot for any help. And this means if an IC(without stealth) joins a squad with stealth, he doesn't get it also right? Is Telion the only example of a unit benefiting from this FAQ revision then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Page 74, left hand column, paragraph 3. *Blinks* wich of course, proves me wrong. There is no asterisk... wich I could have sworn was there. In wich case, it does work. Hot damn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalx the grey Posted November 19, 2010 Author Share Posted November 19, 2010 Pity that bikers cannot take SotH, turboboosting for a 2+ cover would be too good. Anyway, looking forward to try it with Scouts or with a big footslogging squad of any sort! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 That's nothing... Think Commissars with Camo cloaks in IG blob units. You gotta love how little they think these things out. It doesnt work. Stealth is one of those things that doesnt transfer over with an IC- specifically. Its only if its actually a member model of the unit, not an attached IC that this will work. Examples- Telion. Q: If only some of the models in a unit have the Stealthspecial rule, does the whole unit benefit from the +1 cover save? (p76) A: Yes. In effect the ones with the Stealth special rule ensure their colleagues also find good places to hide. I keep re-reading this Grey Mage, and I'm just not getting that from the quote above. Just so I'm clear, can you tell me what over rides what I'm reading above? ++edit++ Oops I see above you have come to the ugly realization of this asinine ruling. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulweih Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Page 74, left hand column, paragraph 3. *Blinks* wich of course, proves me wrong. There is no asterisk... wich I could have sworn was there. In wich case, it does work. Hot damn. Didn't brother Grey Mage adress this issue above with this?Just trying to clear it up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 would this have implications for other special rules to benifit others? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Probly, with most groups rules- but traditionally a FAQ on one thing doesnt always affect other things, even if we might think so- but it cant hurt to talk it over with your buddies. Just remember, some rules say 'units' and other rules say 'models'. So theres no way an IC could give them FNP, because that rule is by model- stealth says 'unit'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 And I was looking for ways to make my slogging list more survivable, apparently this is the way! Large pack of Blood Claws with Wolf Priest with Hunter, Rune Priest with Stormcaller nearby or in same unit and we be rolling. Though it breaks the oath...which makes me a sad Wolf, and stealthy Scouts is fitting, if they can still make use of Behind Enemy Lines... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Saga of the hunter still screw up ouer scouts super stealths though. However, could we take it on a lord with a jump pack and have the sky claws get +1 in cover? I really do not want to "break the oath" and not start the game with him in resreve. But does drop pods count? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Saga of the hunter still screw up ouer scouts super stealths though. However, could we take it on a lord with a jump pack and have the sky claws get +1 in cover? I really do not want to "break the oath" and not start the game with him in resreve. But does drop pods count? No, no and no WL can't take Saga of the Hunter Saga of hunter for WP and WGBL can't be taken if you have a JP To the best of my knowledge a JP can't be used with a DP (just like they are not permitted in rhinos etc) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMac Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 If you look upon p. 48 in the BRB (I only have the small one that comes with AOBR box) under the ICs Joining and Leaving Units, it states under special rules: "Unless otherwise specified in the rule itself, the unit's special rules are not conferred upon the character, and the character's special rules are not conferred upon the unit." Now the question is, does the FAQ errata this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215354-new-faq-a-new-look-at-saga-of-the-hunter/#findComment-2566866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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