Inquisitorial Stormtrooper Veterans, Pistol & CCW.

[Nian]

Hi guys.

 

I have been working on a Daemonhunter army, down to the last point and have hit a question I once assumed and have decided its best to ask what you all think.

 

 

Simply put, All Inquisitorial Stormtroopers come with a Hellgun and Targeter, the Hellgun is valued at 2 points. If I take a Veteran Inquisitorial Stormtrooper that costs an extra 10 points

and give it a Hellpistol and Close Combat Weapon, both costing 1 point each. Does that cost an extra 2 points or is it customary for a Veteran to have that as a different standard setup?

 

 

Even the guys who do Army Builder have it so you pay no more to go from Hellgun to Hellpistol + CCW.

[number6]

Don't use Army Builder as any kind of "gold standard". That program has always been flawed, buggy, and wrong.

 

Newer codexes give models basic access to close combat weapons. But the DH and WH codexes don't do that. If you want your sgt to have wargear different from stock -- which is a hellgun -- you have to pay the points for it. All of it. Which means the total cost to upgrade a normal IST into a sgt with a ccw and a hellpistol is 12 pts.

[Requiemnex]

Before the ban hammerness rolls in and smites you down it may be a good idea to remove the point values of specific units even though the codecies are PDF files it is still copy written material that under the rules and regulations of gamesworkshop can not be posted on the internets.. :P

[Gentlemanloser]

To be honest, I don't think that's an issue any more. Being a free resource up on the 'net for anyone to use, you can't really rule against reposting it.

[Requiemnex]

You could say the same for the pictures they post on their webpage.

 

Everyone can see them but if you utlize one of them and post it on another webpage Games Workshop will quickly have the administrator remove it. Not trying to be a troll and sorry for sort of highjacking your post but *to the best of my knowledge* Any picture, item, or file on the Games Workshop page they hold all rights to and this is why you dont see the PDF being downloaded from alternative pages other than Games Workshop. They are VERY picky about these things.

[number6]

Being one of the folks with a "ban hammer", I believe the points discussions so far fall into the realm of "fair use". No harm, no foul. Carry on!

[Requiemnex]

Being one of the folks with a "ban hammer", I believe the points discussions so far fall into the realm of "fair use". No harm, no foul. Carry on!

 

 

Shuwheeet, thanks

 

I do have to agree you should always double check things as Army Builder is NOT accurate especially with some of the older codexes.

[Nian]

Its not because of Army Builder, I noticed it when I tried the demo recently, I don't hold much stock in it but sometimes they are right.

 

 

What I have noticed is that the Inquisitors retinue has as a Warrior choice, the Veteran Guardsman where for no added cost the Veteran Guardsman can swap his Hellgun for a Hellpistol and CCW, or a shotgun for no added cost.

 

 

 

This is what has made me question it more than anything. I'm leaning towards a Yes for it been a swap.

[Inquisitor =D=]

What I have noticed is that the Inquisitors retinue has as a Warrior choice, the Veteran Guardsman where for no added cost the Veteran Guardsman can swap his Hellgun for a Hellpistol and CCW, or a shotgun for no added cost.

 

You hit the nail on the head I think. It's a free swap.

 

=]D[=

[Nian]

What I have noticed is that the Inquisitors retinue has as a Warrior choice, the Veteran Guardsman where for no added cost the Veteran Guardsman can swap his Hellgun for a Hellpistol and CCW, or a shotgun for no added cost.

 

You hit the nail on the head I think. It's a free swap.

 

=]D[=

 

It doesn't directly state that for the Inquisitorial Stormtrooper Veteran under the Troops section however. But your right, I will take it as a direct swap. Its logical and not game breaking. No one will argue it either (probably).

[Gentlemanloser]

The "Warrior" in an Inquisitors retinue is a seperate unit to the Stormtrooper Troop choice.

 

And what holds for one, doesn't hold for the other.

 

A "Warrior" chosen as a Veteren might be able to swap his Hellgun for other things at no cost, but an IST upgraded to Veteren gets no such option.

[Inquisitor =D=]

Oh! Yeah I see it now. You got us there. But....

 

Would you really hold that against someone Gent?

 

=]D[=

[Gentlemanloser]

Not if you gave me free frags on all my PAGK :tu:

 

Otherwise, yes. Pay for it.

[Inquisitor =D=]

Not if you gave me free frags on all my PAGK ;)

 

Otherwise, yes. Pay for it.

 

 

:P Fair Enough. ^_^

[Nian]

Not if you gave me free frags on all my PAGK :P

 

Otherwise, yes. Pay for it.

 

 

That point would be valid if you voided any weapons other than the frag ^_^

 

I can see it now, your PAGK running around with one frag and no other weapons to be seen.

[Inquisitor =D=]

I can see it now, your PAGK running around with one frag and no other weapons to be seen.

 

Oh so you mean the death company guys right?

[Gentlemanloser]

That point would be valid if you voided any weapons other than the frag

 

Why?

 

You're gaining some wargear worth 1-2 points on a number of troops. Regardless of what it does, or what you exchange for it. You want that Psycannon, it's still 25 points, even if you lose your NFW and True Grit for the priviledge.

 

If the points limit is 2K, and you rock in with a list worth 2005, drop something. Or just ignore the points limit. It's ok if I give one Justicar a frag right, even if it takes me over the 2K limit. You're cool with that. So it's no biggie if i give all 6 of my Justicars Frags as well. Oh and a Teleport homer. Each.

[Nian]

That point would be valid if you voided any weapons other than the frag

 

Why?

 

You're gaining some wargear worth 1-2 points on a number of troops. Regardless of what it does, or what you exchange for it. You want that Psycannon, it's still 25 points, even if you lose your NFW and True Grit for the priviledge.

 

If the points limit is 2K, and you rock in with a list worth 2005, drop something. Or just ignore the points limit. It's ok if I give one Justicar a frag right, even if it takes me over the 2K limit. You're cool with that. So it's no biggie if i give all 6 of my Justicars Frags as well. Oh and a Teleport homer. Each.

 

 

As I understand it, its quite common for the veterans or sergeants in a codex to have more than one wargear option, all at the same points cost. Look at the Warrior choice in the DH codex.

If anything, the way the codex is, I would say it was an oversight. Surprised there isn't an errata on it. Guess this question wasn't asked enough.

[Gentlemanloser]

It's not an oversight.

 

Old codex is old. Instead of wargear 'options', the Veteren has access to the Armory, which is in essence 'unlimited options' (subject to limitations placed in the armory itself).

 

You just need to pay for them.