OK, I'm in!

[Way1and]

I've been lurking on the net for over ten years, now. It's time to put my money on the table... er, in the cash register.

 

So, B&C Wolf Lords: I wish to start with a 1500 point list, built entirely from plastic kits (just 'cause I wanna). I do not want to use any of GW's characters (just 'cause I'm difficult) and I want it fluffy - i.e. no loganwing - and easy on the pocketbook.

 

Anyone think they can come up with something to fit this criteria?

 

(Extra ale ration if you include a Rune Priest. Back in my misspent youth, my medieval reenactment name was Wayland. I was pretty gloomy back then, so folks started calling me "Wayland Doomsayer." That's just too cool of a handle not to use for a RP, don't you think?)

[dswanick]

1500 Pts - Space Wolves Roster

 

HQ: Rune Priest Wayland Doomsayer in Power Armour (1#, 100 pts)

1 Rune Priest in Power Armour @ 100 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Runic Weapon; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Independent Character; Psyker; Living Lightning; Murderous Hurricane)

 

Elite: Wolf Guard Pack (5#, 225 pts)

1 Wolf Guard Pack @ 225 pts (Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour; Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour)

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Power Weapon; Storm Bolter; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Power Weapon; Storm Bolter; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Power Weapon; Storm Bolter; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)

1 Wolf Guard in Terminator Armour (Unit Type: Infantry; Terminator Armour; Power Weapon; Assault Cannon; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)

 

Elite: Dreadnought (1#, 105 pts)

1 Dreadnought @ 105 pts (Unit Type: Vehicle (Walker); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Assault Cannon; Dreadnought CCW; Storm Bolter)

 

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack (10#, 150 pts)

10 Grey Hunters Pack @ 150 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x10; Bolter x10; Close Combat Weapon x10; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)

 

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack (10#, 150 pts)

10 Grey Hunters Pack @ 150 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x10; Bolter x10; Close Combat Weapon x10; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)

 

Troops: Grey Hunters Pack (10#, 150 pts)

10 Grey Hunters Pack @ 150 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x10; Bolter x10; Close Combat Weapon x10; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack)

 

Troops: Blood Claws Pack (10#, 150 pts)

10 Blood Claws Pack @ 150 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x10; Close Combat Weapon x10; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Berserk Charge; Counter-attack; Headstrong)

 

Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron (1#, 50 pts)

1 Land Speeder Squadron @ 50 pts (Unit Type: Vehicle (Skimmer, Fast); Heavy Bolter x1; Deep Strike)

 

Heavy Support: Long Fangs Pack (4#, 85 pts)

3 Long Fangs Pack @ 85 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Close Combat Weapon x3; Heavy Bolter x2; Multi-Melta x1; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Fire Control)

1 Squad Leader (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Close Combat Weapon; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Fire Control)

 

Heavy Support: Long Fangs Pack (4#, 105 pts)

3 Long Fangs Pack @ 105 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Close Combat Weapon x3; Lascannon x1; Missile Launcher x2; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Fire Control)

1 Squad Leader (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Close Combat Weapon; Acute Senses; And They Shall Know No Fear; Counter-attack; Fire Control)

 

Validation Report:

d-1. Formatting: for AB 3.2; c-1. File Version: 1.09a For Bug Reports/www.ab40k.org; a-1. Scenario: Normal Mission; 1. Chapter: Space Wolves

Roster satisfies all enforced validation rules

 

Total Roster Cost: 1265

 

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1 Assault on Black Reach box - Part Code: MPN 60010199005 - $90.00

1 SW Terminator box - Part Code: 99120101079 - $50.00

4 SW Packs - Part Code: 99120101078 - $149.00

2 SM Devastator boxes - Part Code: 99120101053 - $70.00

1 SM Land Speeder - Part Code: 99120101071 - $30.00

Total - $389

This will buy you a decent starting force of foot-slogging Space Wolves without knowing what preferences you have towards close-quarter firefights vs. long-range gun duels. It's slightly under your alotted 1,500pts to allow for some wargear choices. Then as you decide to invest a bit more money you can get some Rhinos or Droppods to transport your boys in an adequately Wolfy fashion. And welcome to the Fang, brother.

[jjfelber]

Thats about the funniest thing I've heard.

Want to play warhammer, but doesn't want to spend a lot of money.

 

Why not GW models. Sure they are expensive, but the resell value is much higher then anything else.

If you want to go money light. Check out the ebay. The prices you see there are pretty much (unless you butcher them) what you can sell them for later so you will get back what you spend. Assault on black reach is the cheapest way to go. 10 marines for $12. Dreadnought for $15. 5 termies $12.

 

I would buy one box of Grey hunters. and 30 black reach marines, 2 dreads, and 10 termies. Use the bits out of the gery hunters to HQs, and wolf guard and the rest to make the black reach models look "wolfy."

 

You are looking at $90 worth of Black Reach models and $30 for the greyhunters(ebay). Easily 1500pts.

 

Edit: Drop a Dread and add 2 more units of 10 black reach marines. This will give you 5 missile launchers to make a Long fangs pack.

 

So $99 for black reach models and $30 for grey hunters. $140-150 after shipping. $0.10 per point is crazy good for warhammer.

[Void Master]

Thats about the funniest thing I've heard.

Want to play warhammer, but doesn't want to spend a lot of money.

 

Actually I don't think it's that absurd, I don't want to spend a lot of cash either because most people never have enough of it to go throwing it at exorbitant GW prices. I certainly have to keep a tight reign on my spendings.

 

Moving on to the question, I'd say it depends from where you order. Ebay and blackreach is all nice and well for saving money, but at the same time you'll have grey space marines instead of space wolves because you're missing out on all the nice bits and heads and rune encrusted armours and all that.

 

It also depends on where you live. If you happen to live in australia, don't ever buy anything in a GW store because the prices quite literally make you go cross eyed. I'd say order from Maelstrom: http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/. They are GB-based so their RRP is lower compared to the US and australia, and they give you 10% off the RRP with free international shopping (I know, sounds crazy but it's true, I've ordered lots from them, usually spending less than half of what I'd spend here). Shipping takes a while but it's well worth the savings (in my opinion). So far there haven't been any issues apart from the lengthy shipping, which as I said is worth the wait.

 

I started with some black reach stuff, but the marines are notoriously hard to convert because they are cast almost in one piece. You get to glue the bolter on by yourself... hooray. That way at least you're more likely to also buy some plastic glue while you're there. They also all look the same, more or less. Also, the casting itself isn't as good as the space wolf kits you get (some details on the models I got were smudged, edges weren't as defined and so forth). If you mix them with some proper space wolf parts and do some converting it doesn't show, but if you have just them, it will show. The more expensive kits do have a higher quality, so in general I'd say are worth getting.

[TiguriusX]

Vassal would have been perfect for you. Unfortunately the GW IP legal team hunted them down and performed the rites of exterminatus

 

:tu:

[dswanick]

Using the BR box for bodies isn't all that bad. If you're careful with the spare wolf bits from the other boxes you can doll them up and then spread them around the so that not more than 1 or 2 are in any given squad. It becomes a little harder to pick them out as different once they're camoflaged by a few wolf bits and mixed in with their companions in the heat of battle.

P.S. : I believe the OP posted that he didn't want to use GW character models, which I can understand. $30-40 for a single mini is pretty bad when you can buy an extra box of Grey Hunters, a box of Fantasy Chaos Warriors, and have enough bits to create all sorts of characterful leaders following the guide here.

[clanfield]

you can kit bash a decent rp or wp from the grey hunter box iv found although i use the rune priest figure my self my wolf priest is plastic

 

as too a start id go basic

1 codex

2 battle force box=1 grey hinters x10,1 blood claws x9,1 hero,1 scoutsx5

3 terminators all wg in the drop pod

4 id add a predator destructor with las canon pods

5 that should be about 1000pts ish then start you next 500 at will

 

this is a basic force that works very well for me every one plays diferantly

 

oh and welcome to the fang grab a ale and some elk meat brother

[JMac]

The Assault on Black Reach box set is a good start, but then again you're terminators are kind of 1 dimensional and don't really have any character. That is of course you actually want terminators. Space Wolf (or SW) terminators can get pricey (points wise and $ wise) real fast if you are not careful, so I tend to stay away from them in games less than 2000 pts. I will elaborate very quickly on why:

1. as mentioned before, they are expensive.

2. the role i want them to fulfill is hard to accomplish without a proper transport which is really only 2 options, Drop Pod or Land Raider.

 

The obvious choice on what to start your army with is a Space Wolf box set. It contains 2 SW box sets, 5 SW scouts and a drop pod (or DP). The reason it isn't as obvious as we would all think is it's price tag of $90.00. However if you are a smart shopper you can find these same box sets for cheaper.

 

If you buy two box sets, a extra DP on the side, a rune priest or two, you could put together a DP list with some scouts to operate behind enemy lines.

 

To be honest though, everyone will give you different advice. Their advice is based on experience, personal play style, preference and skill level. My best advice to not waste money, buy the codex, read it, decide what you like for your play style and build a list off that and then buy your army accordingly. Otherwise, you might spend money and time putting a squad together and when it comes time to fielding them, you hate the way they play. Now you are stuck with lost time and money.

 

Hope this helps.

 

P.S. If you are way too eager that you cannot wait to read the codex and build an army, buy a Space Wolf box set and build some Grey Hunters. You can never go wrong with Grey Hunters and the extra pieces that you won't use are invaluable for conversions.

[LPetersson]

I do not want to use any of GW's characters (just 'cause I'm difficult) and I want it fluffy - i.e. no loganwing - and easy on the pocketbook.

 

A Logan's Heroes army is quite fluffy actually.

When you say you don't want to use GW's characters, do you mean the special characters like Logan, Ragnar and so on or do you mean the actual models?

 

Thats about the funniest thing I've heard.

Want to play warhammer, but doesn't want to spend a lot of money.

Actually I don't think it's that absurd, I don't want to spend a lot of cash either because most people never have enough of it to go throwing it at exorbitant GW prices. I certainly have to keep a tight reign on my spendings.

 

It's not absurd since it can be an expnsive hobby, but it can be tricky. Fleabay and whichever on-line retailers exists in OP's country are probably his best bet.

 

To be honest though, everyone will give you different advice. Their advice is based on experience, personal play style, preference and skill level.

 

Indeed, this ^^

The best thing to do is probably to think about how you'd like your army to be. Buy the codex and read about the different Wolf Lords and their styles.

Do you want small elite units like The Great Wolf uses or lots of heavy support choices?

Do you want wave after wave of Blood Claws foot slogging across the field or do you want a swift moving Thunderwolf charge that sweep away all that stand before them?

 

Personally I'm tweaking a Logan's Heroes list at the moment and I'm enjoying every game, whether it's a win or a draw, but you might not like it...

[Way1and]

I still chuckle when no one is able to determine where someone else is from. B)

 

<--- Plano, Texas. Part of the "DFW Metroplex" just north of Dallas. Good schools, low crime.

 

When you say you don't want to use GW's characters, do you mean the special characters like Logan, Ragnar and so on or do you mean the actual models?

 

Both. A squad of plastic marines vs. one metal character? Yeah, it's gonna be the box all the way for me. I also don't want to rely on special characters to get the job done. I'm not saying I'll never use them, I just don't want it to become a habit.

 

I see the challenge of this game as becoming a tactically proficient opponent while developing fluff for my army that will cause grown men to weep with joy and women to swoon in my arms.

 

I'll settle for an army that makes me smile and gives my opponent a good game.

 

Thats about the funniest thing I've heard. Want to play warhammer, but doesn't want to spend a lot of money.

 

Yes, yes. I've read every possible argument on this topic that has been posted here, on Dakka, the Librarium, et cetera, ad nauseum for the last ten years or more. In the end, I do want to play and I don't want to spend more than I absolutely have to. Being a reasonably intelligent and resourceful person (so I've been told, on occasion) I have come to the conclusion that this can be done and, from some of the posts I've read in reply to mine, I'm in good company.

 

To be honest though, everyone will give you different advice. Their advice is based on experience, personal play style, preference and skill level.

 

True enough and I probably should have elaborated on what my current preferences would be. Unfortunately, I played one game when Third Edition was released and then "vanished into the Warp" as far as tabletop gaming goes.

 

I think I would prefer packs of Grey Hunters, Long Fangs and Scouts. The latter mostly because their fluff appeals to me. However, the description of Gunnar Red Moon's company appeals to me more than Erik Morkai's.

[Grey Mage]

In my opinion, the best kit for a Rune Priest is rather Ironic- The Dark Angels Veteran Box. Comes with five guys, three of whom appear to be entirely in robes with hooded heads helmeted or not as you like- and a good variety of gear bitz that can be made wolfy with some scrapping and a couple peices from a wolf pack box.

 

As for Grey Hunters, Long Fangs, and Scouts- those are great staple units of our forces. I reccommend the following shopping list:

 

Space Marine Battleforce

Wolf Pack Box x2?**

Razorback kit

Whirlwind

Scouts**

DA Veteran box***

Devastator Box

Landspeederx2

Dreadnaught- if you like dreads that is. I love them personally.

 

Thatll give you up to 3 rhino chassis to load up your Grey Hunters into, some Speeders for a fast flanking force, and plenty of bodies for Long Fangs and Scouts- an easy 1500pts force with enough options that you can always bring something different to the field and it wouldnt be hard to add some heavy armor like Vindicators or a Landraider to bump this up to a solid 1850 range.

 

**If you want both, just grab the battleforce and have done with it.

***Go in on it with a real DA player or someone else who wants the bits- be sure to snipe the missile launcher!

 

A solid starter list at 750 that I enjoy:

 

Rune Priest- Stormcaller, living Lightning. 100pts.

 

10 Grey Hunters- 2xPlasmagun, Powerfist, Totem, Rhino- 230pts.

5 Grey Hunters- Meltagun, Powerweapon, Las/Plas Razorback- 180pts.

 

Landspeeder Typhoon- 90pts.

 

5 Long Fangs- 4xMissile Launcher, Rhino- 150pts.

 

Of course, you can switch the razorback to your longfangs if you prefer, but I find its got quite a bit of firepower for its size, and is nicely rounded. *spreads hands* just a thought.