MRC(+) Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 FW has the rules out for the new LR Achilles... Very impressive! http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Prod.../a/achilles.pdf Major Points: -Number 1, Space Wolves can take it as a HS choice... good -300 point cost... expensive, but given its abilities, worth every penny (see below) -Armament is good, with 2 x TL-ed Multi-meltas and a hull-mounted Thunderfire Cannon (great duality against vehicles and troops) -Has limited assault ability (only 6 models can ride it and it doesn't have a front assault ramp, only side doors) -Best ability is its Ferromantic Invulnerability Rule.... meltas and lances do not get their bonuses against it and all rolls on the Damage Chart against it get -1... WOW! Combine that with a Rune Priest inside casting Storm Caller and now even Tau Rail Guns have a chance to destroy one of (2/3hit)*(1/3 penetrate)*(2/3 fail cover save)*(1/3 destroy)=4/81 or about 5% ..... put another way, it would take 20 Railgun shots from a Tau Hammerhead to destroy a LR Achilles. I would love to create a 2000 point Space Wolf "Armored Claw" mech army built around 3 Land Raider Achilles.... put a 5 man Grey Hunter Pack with a WG Pack Leader in two of them and a RP and 5 man Grey Hunter pack in the 3rd and you have 3 almost indestructable scoring land raiders with significant fire power. I am thinking about backing it up with some Land Speeder Typhoons for long range missile support and some Rifleman Dreads and I think you would have a very capable force. Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 Aye wolf brother, I've mentioned it's significance against a heavy lance Dark Eldar army at http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=214829 it would be interesting to see how this raider fairs in battle. But I will ALWAYS have, no matter what size of a game, a pack of Long Fangs! cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2567609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalver Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 I suspect it would tend to break any games that fell short of Apocalypse. A lot of builds will be pretty much incapable of doing any damage to this leaving it free to run around popping everything in sight with those twin-linked multi-meltas and the thunderfire cannon. A tank that a lot of armies only chance of damaging it is glancing on 6's with a -1 on the damage roll is kinda ridiculous. It is so hard to damage it could quite easily earn back its points even at a 450-500 point mark. I do really love the model though. About the best looking Land Raider varient that has been made to date. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2567622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Thoughts?...EXPENSIVE SICK...LOL...but overall a very nice idea...although not sure it's very 'fluffy' considering the background given to it by FW's rule set and the minute bit they include about it's background... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2567626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 This is probably the ultimate battle tank. I would rather have this than a Baneblade, probably! This is what I think the LR should have been: not a really tough transport, but more of a battle tank with some transport capacity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2567628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm Moonwolf Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 I like it, the kit looks good and I've been wanting to try out a Thunderfire. Putting 3 of these babies in a City-Breaker formation or something would be fun. Don't even get me started on Spearhead formations, lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2567638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 I like it, the kit looks good and I've been wanting to try out a Thunderfire. Putting 3 of these babies in a City-Breaker formation or something would be fun. Don't even get me started on Spearhead formations, lol. putting 3 of them is a little overkill IMO and just shows what kind of general/player a person is. Talk about taking the fun/challenge out of a game. But that's just my opinion. I'd have one model just to have it in my collection, and I don't really see myself using it in a list unless I was up against a good opponent. I've always stuck with my Long Fangs since 2nd Edition as a priority choice for the heavy support slot, more so now since the new codex and I'll stay with that decision. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2567676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 putting 3 of them is a little overkill IMO and just shows what kind of general/player a person is. Valid point, then again taking multiple units in Apocalypse wouldn't be soo bad, would it? Where the enemy has access to Titans and Super Heavy Battle Tanks and so on. A bonus for this is it's suitable for a Heresy era force, meaning my Wolves can make use of, along with Regular Land Raiders. (Though only in Apoc) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2567720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coverfire Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 So is this Land Raider Varient legal in 40k now or is it a forgeworld imperial armour variant and only allowed when using the Forgworld Imperial Armour Books? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2567727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Its forgeworld. And seeing the rules i think it makes the games boring for anything smaller than 1500 points. I would only use it against those guys who like to go Vulkan marines of meltadoom. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2567822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 putting 3 of them is a little overkill IMO and just shows what kind of general/player a person is. Valid point, then again taking multiple units in Apocalypse wouldn't be soo bad, would it? Where the enemy has access to Titans and Super Heavy Battle Tanks and so on. A bonus for this is it's suitable for a Heresy era force, meaning my Wolves can make use of, along with Regular Land Raiders. (Though only in Apoc) Aye wolf brother, I have but no objections when it comes to Apocalypse games for when it comes to Apocalypse anything goes! and your opponent wont hold back either. Had brother Sturm mentioned Apocalypse in his comment, then I would have kept my lips open only for drinking! cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2567908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf363839 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Be careful wolf brothers. This isn't an Assault Vehicle and doesn't have an assault ramp or frag launchers, which means you'll have to change your tactics. It is more suited to the role of main battle tank, as has been said. I can see why it was designed for the Imperial Fists. Wolves use their tanks/APCs much more as a means to close with the enemy to kill them in CC! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf363839 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 error, deleted Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 putting 3 of them is a little overkill IMO and just shows what kind of general/player a person is. Valid point, then again taking multiple units in Apocalypse wouldn't be soo bad, would it? Where the enemy has access to Titans and Super Heavy Battle Tanks and so on. A bonus for this is it's suitable for a Heresy era force, meaning my Wolves can make use of, along with Regular Land Raiders. (Though only in Apoc) Aye wolf brother, I have but no objections when it comes to Apocalypse games for when it comes to Apocalypse anything goes! and your opponent wont hold back either. Had brother Sturm mentioned Apocalypse in his comment, then I would have kept my lips open only for drinking! cheers Meh I don't think 3 of them is all that bad... sure if a player uses melta spam with a bit of missile or auto-cannon spam... then yes... have fun... If it is someone like me who packs a good number of lascannons... then yer I'm not that worried... I guess people could always use melta-bombs... sure it might take 5000 shots to kill 3... but I don't need to kill them... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimer Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 It is worth noting that it is, unlike the Necron Monolith, only things with the Melta and Lance special rules that only roll one die for armour penetration - go chainfists :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Or that Imeprial guard tank, mc or an alltime favorit sir Khârn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taeken Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 I am in the middle of making one right now. It does change tactics with the various rules and lack of rules (no assault) There are still plenty of ways to kill it, just not as easly via melta/lance is all. So far its a fun conversion. I will post pictures later. The only question I have, is that yes the Achillies is a Heavy choices; but can it be bought as a dedicated transport for the Wolf Guard like the other Raiders? If so then I can still run my 3 packs of LF's. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 well it does say, one wolf guard pack in the army may select a Land Raider of ANY type as a dedicated transport. Hella expensive transport IMO, I would rather use points for other things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Personally I'd love to get one for 3000 point games and apoc... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 I think it's a great deal. Great anti tank, and for 50 points more, you get a whirlwind with some staying power. Transport capacity of six... Put an iron priest instead, give him a Sage of the Iron Wolf, and watch him rooooolll.... It's a tank tank. It's designed to dish out heavy hits and absorb fire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 f8inally a land raider that will live upto its near invulnerable status Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Its been put forth by some that this is actually just the best objective camping vehicle in existance: You drive the vehicle over the objective- the enemy, due to the size of the tank, cant get within 3" of it to contest. A scoring unit inside can still take the objective. Its main cannon can still contribue offensively to the game, and its MMs provide it with a powerful defense against alot of the anti-armor options out there. Oh, and it can take a siegeshield for those annoying objectives in area terrain.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Grey Mage is that tank turnament legal? It just seems way to good for 300 points, it just will not die. Or is it like apoxalypse only? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Grey Mage is that tank turnament legal? It just seems way to good for 300 points, it just will not die. Or is it like apoxalypse only? Common sense would say, since it's still a Forgeworld vehicle so like anything Forgeworld, you'll still need consent from your opponent. As for tournament legal? that would depend entirely on the tournament organizers and the rules they set at the tournament. To good to be true? one can be said about other units in Wolf dex or other chapters like, Thunderwolf Calvary, our cheap Long Fangs, Lone Wolves or Blood Angels fast Vehicles, and even the stormraven gunship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Its still 'experimental rules' so its opponents permission only. That being said, I wouldnt be suprised if in the next 6 months it got into IAUpdate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215479-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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