A quick look at my DIY and some questions on...

[Hellios]

Ok so my first question if anyone can help me is to do with armour an Iconography...

 

Now MKI Thunder Armour as I understand it was used by the proto-marines known as the Thunder Warriors during the Unification Wars... However can anyone tell me if Marines went straight into MKII Crusade armour or was there a period before the Great Crusade really kicked off when the Astartes were first being created (maybe some of them were even young thunder warriors) where the Astartes had thunder armour? If this is the case then could a chapter today still have a few of these suits as ancient relics even if they were not used for battle because of issues like... having no breathing apparatus. Also on this note would some of the armour be old stuff and so bear the emperors old thunderbolt symbol or would the armour be new stuff produced and so have no symbol (unless the original bearer had been awarded the Aquilla).

 

Ok Now I want to have a quick look at some of my ideas for a DIY... and I know it is easy to have to many ideas so I would like to see what you think...

 

Anyway basically I want my chapter to be mysterious and also have cause for concern but I don't want them to have some kind of obvious taint.

 

So what I was thinking is having them as Zealots... even by marine standards but having very strong ties to the Ecclesiarchy... which I thought might cause concern... maybe such close ties that they have a Cardinal present in their fortress monestary to consult with.

 

As to chapter layout I was thinking of having a normal 10 company chapter but with an additional group of less than a company (called the shrouded) who is lead by what is effectively the Master of Sanctity of the chapter but who is Far more powerful in terms of what he can do within the chapter and he basically controls this group and goes around on pilgrimages or whatever he is doing...

 

I was also going to have every marine of sgt level or higher (excluding the librarium and the Armoury staff) as chaplains.

 

Now my chapter master is giving me issues... originally I was going to have him as a standard chapter master with the bit of chaplain thrown in... but as I though about this if the leader of the shrouded is the Master of Sanctity and faith is what drives this chapter then wouldn't the Chapter master basically be a puppet. So I was thinking what if he is seen by the chapter as a living avatar of the emperor or the emperors proxy... not that he is anything special but as far as the chapter is concerned only the emperor himself has higher authority. I would imagine that thi view would upset the Ecclesiarchy but do you think they would let it slide if a chapter of space marines pretty much fell in line with their other beliefs and they had a very close relationship such as the chapter often joining Crusades organised by the Ecclesiarchy.

 

Anyway my chapter was also almost destroyed between 300-150 years before what is the end of the timeline now... and it wasn't because of a huge gribblies ate them all and their homeworld but because they were over zealous... basically upon becoming the chapter master the last chapter master declared a crusade against The CSMs and took most of the chapter into the eye of terror... where things did not go well...

 

Now that was something I decided a long time ago... however having looked at the new space wolves dex I really like the idea of the Lone Wolf (Now I'm using C:SM so this is just fluff for me) so I though something along the same lines would be cool... except I'll change the name to Martyr or maybe not as they don't plan to die although many do... Rather they are people with so much faith that they go off and do their own thing... and with the nature of my chapter this is considered a most honourable path to take if you are deemed worthy.

 

Anyway any really huge issues? or do I have too much going on? I know this isn't the most fluffed out bit fo work but I'm not ready to right an IA article yet.

[Octavulg]

Now MKI Thunder Armour as I understand it was used by the proto-marines known as the Thunder Warriors during the Unification Wars... However can anyone tell me if Marines went straight into MKII Crusade armour or was there a period before the Great Crusade really kicked off when the Astartes were first being created (maybe some of them were even young thunder warriors) where the Astartes had thunder armour? If this is the case then could a chapter today still have a few of these suits as ancient relics even if they were not used for battle because of issues like... having no breathing apparatus. Also on this note would some of the armour be old stuff and so bear the emperors old thunderbolt symbol or would the armour be new stuff produced and so have no symbol (unless the original bearer had been awarded the Aquilla).

 

A Chapter might (big might) have some Thunder Armor kicking around, but it'd be used only on ceremonial occasions. Even Mk II is mostly used only on ceremonial occasions.

 

See this article.

 

Now my chapter master is giving me issues... originally I was going to have him as a standard chapter master with the bit of chaplain thrown in... but as I though about this if the leader of the shrouded is the Master of Sanctity and faith is what drives this chapter then wouldn't the Chapter master basically be a puppet. So I was thinking what if he is seen by the chapter as a living avatar of the emperor or the emperors proxy... not that he is anything special but as far as the chapter is concerned only the emperor himself has higher authority. I would imagine that thi view would upset the Ecclesiarchy but do you think they would let it slide if a chapter of space marines pretty much fell in line with their other beliefs and they had a very close relationship such as the chapter often joining Crusades organised by the Ecclesiarchy.

 

So are they cose with the Ecclesiarchy or not? The Ecclesiarchy doesn't like heretics - if they're orthodox, they'd get along. If the Chapter wasn't, they wouldn't.

 

Anyway any really huge issues? or do I have too much going on? I know this isn't the most fluffed out bit fo work but I'm not ready to right an IA article yet.

 

Seems not uninteresting. Could be good. Just remember 'why?'.

[Hellios]

Now my chapter master is giving me issues... originally I was going to have him as a standard chapter master with the bit of chaplain thrown in... but as I though about this if the leader of the shrouded is the Master of Sanctity and faith is what drives this chapter then wouldn't the Chapter master basically be a puppet. So I was thinking what if he is seen by the chapter as a living avatar of the emperor or the emperors proxy... not that he is anything special but as far as the chapter is concerned only the emperor himself has higher authority. I would imagine that thi view would upset the Ecclesiarchy but do you think they would let it slide if a chapter of space marines pretty much fell in line with their other beliefs and they had a very close relationship such as the chapter often joining Crusades organised by the Ecclesiarchy.

 

So are they cose with the Ecclesiarchy or not? The Ecclesiarchy doesn't like heretics - if they're orthodox, they'd get along. If the Chapter wasn't, they wouldn't.

 

 

Thanks a lot... yer I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the chapter master and the leader of the shrouded... I'm sure within the cult of the emperor their are different factions and small cults exist outside the Ecclesiarchy that are tolerated (they still worship the emperor)... I guess I was imagining the Chapter Master to be some kind of Saint... and that when a chapter master dies then certain members of the astartes can put their names forward and they all face a series of trials and whoever survives or in the case of multiple survivers... comes out on top is obviously the chosen of the emperor who the emperor has gifted with a bit of his spirit. Now what I'm trying to make out is this is the belief of the chapter...and not that my chapter master actually has any special gifts (although... who knows... the emperor I guess).

 

So would you think that if they generally followed the teachings of the Ecclesiarchy but with that deviation they would still be tolerated because a Space Marine chapter is a very useful thing? I mean I could make them zealots without the Ecclesiarchy but it is the fact they have close ties with the Ecclesiarchy that worries members of the inquisition.