Those-IA-Equivalent-Things-in-Imperial-Armor

[NightrawenII]

An IA, in my opinion, is a factual discussion about a chapter that covers the key cornerstones of the chapter. Whilst there has been a precedent for a stylised version, this is merely the easiest method of presenting the data in an IA. It is the one that is suggested by most Liberites for that reason.

 

But then there is much difference between many of the articles in the Librarium right now. There are a handful which are over 6000 words and others which are under 3000 - that is a radical difference in length. The focus is also different in these articles - whilst the Castigators focuses little on the origins and the history of the chapter, the Wings of Death article will focus heavily on the origins of the chapter and the history.

Yeah, but the GW's and Librarium articles follow certain format and this format is associated with the name of Index Astartes. Having the same name for two different formats will just make people confused.

 

We could simply call them Forge-world-format-Index-Astartes and Games-workshop-format-Index-Astartes, but this is freaking long.

[Ecritter]

The other option is to say "we have a specific format, and it you don't like it or don't want to use it ... fine, go somewhere else."

[Octavulg]

Yes, but since there's nowhere else to go on the B&C that's not exactly appropriate.

 

Me, I think we'd be better to say: "GW's produced two formats, they work pretty well, if you can think of something else that isn't basically one of them, feel free to use that, too. Figure out what you're doing and let us know."

[Ecritter]

Yes, but since there's nowhere else to go on the B&C that's not exactly appropriate.

 

Me, I think we'd be better to say: "GW's produced two formats, they work pretty well, if you can think of something else that isn't basically one of them, feel free to use that, too. Figure out what you're doing and let us know."

 

And how exactly am I supposed to skirt the line ... if there's not a line? <_<

 

Don't take all the fun out of my world. ;)

 

I'm seriously just tired of the fighting now.

[Octavulg]

I'm not saying there aren't lines, just that moving outside those lines isn't wrong so long as you don't claim to be in them.

[Ecritter]

I'm not saying there aren't lines, just that moving outside those lines isn't wrong so long as you don't claim to be in them.

 

Just fancy talk for ruining my life.

[Octavulg]

Write about SoB. That'll throw us.

[Ecritter]

Write about SoB. That'll throw us.

 

Excuse me ... they're SoS not SoBs <_<

[Heru]

Write about SoB. That'll throw us.

Someone really should. There is allot of untapped potential in SoB Orders.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Write about SoB. That'll throw us.

Someone really should. There is allot of untapped potential in SoB Orders.

 

I considered it, because in theory the idea seems easier than attempting an IA.. But it isn't quite so simple... Also, it makes for an interesting and far different character of article.

[Octavulg]

Considering the remarkable support for "don't name them" in the poll, I'm curious why people think we shouldn't. Since I've explained three times why we should name them at this point - what possible consequence is there to naming the format something? And why shouldn't we do so?

[Heru]

I have a feeling the no votes are mostly coming from the mods and admins. I even suspect they probably have a private thread on this subject in their private section.

[Marshal Rohr]

Instead of just add some kind of tag to the end so that people know the difference.

 

Index Astartes and Index Astartes Overview or something to show its abbreviated.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

I voted no. It simply isn't necessary. We aren't going to write an IA for the chapters in the Badab war because Forge World already has. So the IA Astral Claws (or whatever Huron's chapter was before they became the Red Corsairs) is automaticly the Forge Worlds IA, because there won't be any other IAs for it.

[Allerka]

I voted no. It simply isn't necessary. We aren't going to write an IA for the chapters in the Badab war because Forge World already has. So the IA Astral Claws (or whatever Huron's chapter was before they became the Red Corsairs) is automaticly the Forge Worlds IA, because there won't be any other IAs for it.

Uhh, you might want to go back and re-read the proposal. We're not talking about writing our own versions of the articles in IA9 at all, we're talking about using that article format as an alternative to the standard IA format we've been using for years for our DIYs, and, if members DO decide to use that format, what to call it for ease of reference.

[Octavulg]

I voted no. It simply isn't necessary. We aren't going to write an IA for the chapters in the Badab war because Forge World already has. So the IA Astral Claws (or whatever Huron's chapter was before they became the Red Corsairs) is automaticly the Forge Worlds IA, because there won't be any other IAs for it.

 

Except people might want to write other articles, using that style, about Chapters not in the Badab War.

[Ace Debonair]

I voted no. It simply isn't necessary. We aren't going to write an IA for the chapters in the Badab war because Forge World already has. So the IA Astral Claws (or whatever Huron's chapter was before they became the Red Corsairs) is automaticly the Forge Worlds IA, because there won't be any other IAs for it.

Uhh, you might want to go back and re-read the proposal. We're not talking about writing our own versions of the articles in IA9 at all, we're talking about using that article format as an alternative to the standard IA format we've been using for years for our DIYs, and, if members DO decide to use that format, what to call it for ease of reference.

Indeed, it's not even a vote on whether or not to use the darn articles. I'm going to direct new people to the existing one on the forums to take a looksie at an alternate setup anyway.

 

It'd just be nice to have something else to call it so as not to confuse newcomers as to what the differences are.

 

I'm bewildered by the number of 'against' votes, I admit. :)

Honestly, if this goes through so these articles aren't named, I'm going to make up a name for them and use it anyway. Calling them IAs is like calling a rectangle a square - almost, but not quite right.

[NightrawenII]

I'm bewildered by the number of 'against' votes, I admit. :lol:

Honestly, if this goes through so these articles aren't named, I'm going to make up a name for them and use it anyway. Calling them IAs is like calling a rectangle a square - almost, but not quite right.

My thoughts exactly....

The Underground Movement in the Liber! :)

[Ace Debonair]

My thoughts exactly....

The Underground Movement in the Liber! ;)

 

And so the Liber Resistance was born. :)

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Although I voted yes - and really want to chip in with the epic line "to name something gives you power over it" - I see a valid point being raised.

 

It is all about style, or so it seems.

 

 

For however long, the IA construction in the Liber has followed a certain pattern and those articles are called IA (obviously - but why does a new style need a new name? If you classify the data in IA9 as not being an IA, then would the Liber even be the place for it?

 

And if you derive from the articles that they are just an "IA Light" then it still becomes just a matter of style; in music and other arenas such differentiation is needed, why not suffice to say here that they are just different styles?

 

EDIT: Actually a rectangle is a square :)

[Octavulg]

The Liber is the place for DIY Chapter articles of all types (except Short Stories. Maybe). IAs should only be one of the things we do here. The fact that Ferrata insists on calling all DIY Chapter articles IAs (and the fact that almost everyone writes IAs) may be confusing you. :D

 

Calling them different styles is one solution, but it's passing up a golden opportunity to make it clear that IAs are not the be-all and end-all of how to write about Chapters. Which they aren't. We're not just about IAs, and the more obvious we are about that the better for everyone.

 

And a rectangle is not a square. However, a square is a rectangle. :)

[Captain Juan Juarez]

The Liber is the place for DIY Chapter articles of all types (except Short Stories. Maybe). IAs should only be one of the things we do here. The fact that Ferrata insists on calling all DIY Chapter articles IAs (and the fact that almost everyone writes IAs) may be confusing you. :D

 

Calling them different styles is one solution, but it's passing up a golden opportunity to make it clear that IAs are not the be-all and end-all of how to write about Chapters. Which they aren't. We're not just about IAs, and the more obvious we are about that the better for everyone.

 

But you see, no matter how obvious you are that an IA is not "the be all and end all" then Liber sees only IA's - aside from the really strange stuff that used to get posted and made no sense.

 

Yes, I accept that to describe a Chapter - or whatever word you wish to choose other than describe - there are many avenues or ways to do so, but the Liber is synonymous with Index Astartes articles; old dog, new tricks and all that.

 

 

And a rectangle is not a square. However, a square is a rectangle. :)

 

How can I mess with peoples minds if you won't let me? The very rudeness, sirrah! ;)

[Ace Debonair]

Although I voted yes - and really want to chip in with the epic line "to name something gives you power over it" - I see a valid point being raised.

 

It is all about style, or so it seems.

 

 

For however long, the IA construction in the Liber has followed a certain pattern and those articles are called IA (obviously - but why does a new style need a new name? If you classify the data in IA9 as not being an IA, then would the Liber even be the place for it?

 

And if you derive from the articles that they are just an "IA Light" then it still becomes just a matter of style; in music and other arenas such differentiation is needed, why not suffice to say here that they are just different styles?

Ah, at last, a point for not naming the articles that I almost agree with.

 

But, look at it from this perspective. When a new chap turns up with his flashy idea for an IA, chock full of notable battles, which according to general consensus are best kept brief or avoided in an IA, and one of us suggests an alternate format, it's nice to be able to put a name to the thing we're suggesting, especially if the new guy in question hasn't heard of Imperial Armour or seen the articles contained in the ninth one before.

 

And yes, I agree that Liber should include these articles.

And probably things other than IAs and IA9s*, so long as they detail the history and character of a chapter.

 

*See what I did there?

 

EDIT: Actually a rectangle is a square ;)

Nope. It has sides of different lengths, meaning it doesn't fit the definition of a square, which has all four sides the same length.

And stop trying to pick holes in my metaphors! :lol:

 

Or was that a similie? ;)

 

 

EDIT: Damn it, double ninja'd. :D :)

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Although I voted yes - and really want to chip in with the epic line "to name something gives you power over it" - I see a valid point being raised.

 

It is all about style, or so it seems.

 

 

For however long, the IA construction in the Liber has followed a certain pattern and those articles are called IA (obviously - but why does a new style need a new name? If you classify the data in IA9 as not being an IA, then would the Liber even be the place for it?

 

And if you derive from the articles that they are just an "IA Light" then it still becomes just a matter of style; in music and other arenas such differentiation is needed, why not suffice to say here that they are just different styles?

Ah, at last, a point for not naming the articles that I almost agree with.

 

But, look at it from this perspective. When a new chap turns up with his flashy idea for an IA, chock full of notable battles, which according to general consensus are best kept brief or avoided in an IA, and one of us suggests an alternate format, it's nice to be able to put a name to the thing we're suggesting, especially if the new guy in question hasn't heard of Imperial Armour or seen the articles contained in the ninth one before.

 

And yes, I agree that Liber should include these articles.

And probably things other than IAs and IA9s*, so long as they detail the history and character of a chapter.

 

*See what I did there?

 

The thing to think of is that all we know today of IA's is what was released some years ago by GW.. Who is to say that that is still the best way to go with an IA?

 

Like I said, it all just seems to come down to style; there is a certain style that is accepted in the Liber as to what makes an IA and that is fine but it can make things a bit stagnant - why do we need Forgeworld to realse an ImpArm to find a new way to look at how we think about IA's? Or even detailing Chapters as a whole?

 

Because lets face it, when we think of discussing a Chapter in non-fiction form we think of the IA.

[Octavulg]

Another idea for a name:

 

Novus Astartes.

 

It's a new format, and first appeared in IA 9.

 

I'm so funny. :D

 

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CJJ

 

But you see, no matter how obvious you are that an IA is not "the be all and end all" then Liber sees only IA's - aside from the really strange stuff that used to get posted and made no sense.

 

It's true - we do mostly see IAs. But IAs are not the perfect tool for what some people want to do. Thus, since we have an example of another official format (which does several other things - it's shorter, has more potential for artwork, and talks a lot about battles), lumping it in with IAs would seem to be a shame. This is an opportunity to broaden what we do. Considering how many people complain we're too limited, that'd seem a good thing.

 

Yes, I accept that to describe a Chapter - or whatever word you wish to choose other than describe - there are many avenues or ways to do so, but the Liber is synonymous with Index Astartes articles; old dog, new tricks and all that.

 

You're right, it is synonymous. And that's a bug, not a feature. We're supposed to be about DIY Chapter creation - instead we've become about IA creation. And the simple fact is that that's wrong (or not completely right).

 

We have in front of us something else that fits perfectly with what the Liber does, while not being an IA. Lumping it in with the IA format does nothing more than inherently keep the Liber all about IAs. Having it separate forces us to do more in a way generalized platitudes about creativity and diversity never could. And that's a good thing, both for us and for authors.