Those-IA-Equivalent-Things-in-Imperial-Armor

[Ace Debonair]

The thing to think of is that all we know today of IA's is what was released some years ago by GW.. Who is to say that that is still the best way to go with an IA?

 

Like I said, it all just seems to come down to style; there is a certain style that is accepted in the Liber as to what makes an IA and that is fine but it can make things a bit stagnant - why do we need Forgeworld to realse an ImpArm to find a new way to look at how we think about IA's? Or even detailing Chapters as a whole?

 

Because lets face it, when we think of discussing a Chapter in non-fiction form we think of the IA.

Er, actually, you might have the wrong end of the stick here.

See, because that article is as workable as the existing design that we all know and love for depicting the history of a chapter, I'm going to promote it as such.

 

Every time a discussion over something that could be solved by this different format comes up, I'm going to reccomend it.

Every time someone wants to write about a chapter, but does so in a clearly non-IA fashion, I'm going to draw their attention to both, or any other formats that are workable.

 

This isn't a discussion about whether or not the Liber should accept change, because now change is already here.

 

People writing an IA should come to the Liber, but people coming to the Liber no longer have to write an IA.

They can write one of these other articles instead.

 

And I am getting tired of having to call them 'other articles'. :D

These things need a name. ;)

-=-=

 

Sorry, CJJ.

That came out as a bit of a rant, and isn't actually directed at you. :)

[Captain Juan Juarez]

I accept the points you both make, I even accept the ranting :D, and like I originally stated I voted for the naming of - I'm just playing devils advocate because the thoughts occured to me.

 

I think, given the counter arguments raised, that there needs to be something of a refocusing of the Liber*; I like the new articles - I wanted ImpArm9 so much I forced myself to also by 5,6,7 and 8 before I let myself buy 9 - and think they are just as valid as an IA, though there essence is more of snapshot of the Chapter.

 

From the replies, it seems that the articles themselves are not the problem and instead it is how the Liber is viewed and the the arena "we" work in that is called into question; the articles are about change but it seems as if they are a fulcrum to dedicating the Liber** back to its purpose of accepting all submissions in building a Chapter.

 

 

 

*I get that it is easy for me to say such, but hey, I'm just an ideas man.

 

**You know when you Italiscize something and regret it when you realise how many times you might type it? I reached that point then.

[Ace Debonair]

From the replies, it seems that the articles themselves are not the problem and instead it is how the Liber is viewed and the the arena "we" work in that is called into question; the articles are about change but it seems as if they are a fulcrum to dedicating the Liber** back to its purpose of accepting all submissions in building a Chapter.

 

I think I turned up after the Liber stopped promoting the 'anything goes' stuff. :)

I'll be happy with one or two alternate ways of depicting a chapter. If nothing else, it gives folks here a greater scope for dealing with different ideas.

 

**You know when you Italiscize something and regret it when you realise how many times you might type it? I reached that point then.

I know your pain. :D

[Octavulg]

The other thing is, now people pop up and say "so you're doing an IA, eh?"

 

If there's another format, people start popping up and say "so are you doing an IA, a *A, or something else?"

 

Having choice in the 'official' options encourages people to remember that choice exists.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

As I listen to the relaxing tones of UB40* wafting** into my ears, I will agree that the articles do need names - as long as we promote them to be just as accepted as a "typical" IA.

 

 

*Google/Youtube is your friend here kids

 

**Can sound waft?

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

I voted no. It simply isn't necessary. We aren't going to write an IA for the chapters in the Badab war because Forge World already has. So the IA Astral Claws (or whatever Huron's chapter was before they became the Red Corsairs) is automaticly the Forge Worlds IA, because there won't be any other IAs for it.

 

Except people might want to write other articles, using that style, about Chapters not in the Badab War.

Why? Why use something else when we have our own style here at the Liber? If people start using it, then lets change our format. Then we don't use the previous format, and there is one IA again.

[Aqui]

As I listen to the relaxing tones of UB40* wafting** into my ears, I will agree that the articles do need names - as long as we promote them to be just as accepted as a "typical" IA.

 

 

*Google/Youtube is your friend here kids

 

**Can sound waft?

 

Assuming that a suitable name is found, I would treat both types of article equally :blush:

[Captain Juan Juarez]

I voted no. It simply isn't necessary. We aren't going to write an IA for the chapters in the Badab war because Forge World already has. So the IA Astral Claws (or whatever Huron's chapter was before they became the Red Corsairs) is automaticly the Forge Worlds IA, because there won't be any other IAs for it.

 

Except people might want to write other articles, using that style, about Chapters not in the Badab War.

Why? Why use something else when we have our own style here at the Liber? If people start using it, then lets change our format. Then we don't use the previous format, and there is one IA again.

 

Why must there be only one style to write about a Chapter in, why must it be called an IA?

 

The fact that there is a particular style used here in the Liber is more to do with institutionalization than it is with it needing to be one core way to do things. There are many ways to do things and to suggest that any one is particularly better than another when many have merit is somewhat eliteist.

 

EDIT:

 

As I listen to the relaxing tones of UB40* wafting** into my ears, I will agree that the articles do need names - as long as we promote them to be just as accepted as a "typical" IA.

 

 

*Google/Youtube is your friend here kids

 

**Can sound waft?

 

Assuming that a suitable name is found, I would treat both types of article equally :blush:

 

My point ties in with my earlier posts - you may have skipped them - in terms of how such articles are treated; because the Liber is synonymous with IA's then other article types may be looked down on.

 

The key is not for there to be an individual opinion - in terms of the Liber staff - and both, or other avenues, to be seen as valid. This isn't easy.

[Ace Debonair]

As I listen to the relaxing tones of UB40* wafting** into my ears, I will agree that the articles do need names - as long as we promote them to be just as accepted as a "typical" IA.

That's pretty much my gameplan. Equal opportunity writing.

 

**Can sound waft?

I think it more drifts than wafts. Wafting is for smells, mostly.

Unless your bionic ears are acting up.

 

 

I voted no. It simply isn't necessary. We aren't going to write an IA for the chapters in the Badab war because Forge World already has. So the IA Astral Claws (or whatever Huron's chapter was before they became the Red Corsairs) is automaticly the Forge Worlds IA, because there won't be any other IAs for it.

 

Except people might want to write other articles, using that style, about Chapters not in the Badab War.

Why? Why use something else when we have our own style here at the Liber? If people start using it, then lets change our format. Then we don't use the previous format, and there is one IA again.

Well, mostly because it's not our own style. :blush:

 

We did not invent the Index Astartes format.

And more choice allows more people to get what they want out of writing. In this case, it makes room for details on noteworthy battles that would otherwise be frowned upon.

[Octavulg]

General Note

 

I find it interesting that one argument for not naming them is that IAs should already cover everything, while the other argument for not naming them seems to be that we shouldn't use them because we should only do IAs. :)

 

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DAT

 

What they all said. :blush:

 

The Liber's about DIY articles, not just IAs.

 

IAs are something distinct, and these are not IAs. Trying to shoehorn them in as some kind of sub-IA is a disservice to both.

 

People already want to do them - we have an example as it is. There will be more. Some people will want to do this. Some people will want to do an IA. Some people will want to do something else entirely.

 

And in none of those cases do we serve them by saying "there is one way to do things. Do it, or leave."

 

Having another official format to work with can only broaden things here. :D

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

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Why? Why use something else when we have our own style here at the Liber? If people start using it, then lets change our format. Then we don't use the previous format, and there is one IA again.

Well, mostly because it's not our own style. :blush:

 

We did not invent the Index Astartes format.

And more choice allows more people to get what they want out of writing. In this case, it makes room for details on noteworthy battles that would otherwise be frowned upon.

Then lets adopt that style instead, if it's superiour (because it allows battles and such to be mentioned).

 

Really, it's not complicated. If one product is superiour, use it. Don't mess around with both because 'someone might want to use it' when 'it' is inferiour.

[Ace Debonair]

The Liber's about DIY articles, not just IAs.

 

And if the Liber isn't about more than IAs, it probably should be.

And this is the perfect opportunity to start looking at ways of broadening the horizons, don't you think?

 

 

Then lets adopt that style instead, if it's superiour (because it allows battles and such to be mentioned).

 

Really, it's not complicated. If one product is superiour, use it. Don't mess around with both because 'someone might want to use it' when 'it' is inferiour.

 

Superior? No. Definitely not.

But a viable alternative? Sure.

 

Ok, yeah, there's less detail on some parts of the IA9 than the regular one.

But not everybody wants to write an IA.

 

This is one way for those people to still write about their chapter without having to go into all that detail.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

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Why? Why use something else when we have our own style here at the Liber? If people start using it, then lets change our format. Then we don't use the previous format, and there is one IA again.

Well, mostly because it's not our own style. :blush:

 

We did not invent the Index Astartes format.

And more choice allows more people to get what they want out of writing. In this case, it makes room for details on noteworthy battles that would otherwise be frowned upon.

Then lets adopt that style instead, if it's superiour (because it allows battles and such to be mentioned).

 

Really, it's not complicated. If one product is superiour, use it. Don't mess around with both because 'someone might want to use it' when 'it' is inferiour.

 

It isn't about superior.. It is about style.

 

They are two different styles, with different objectives - in my mind - but both are valid for someone who wishes to write about their own created Chapter.

 

The end product for both is pretty dissimilar, so it isn't a case of "one over the other".

[Captain Juan Juarez]

The Liber's about DIY articles, not just IAs.

 

And if the Liber isn't about more than IAs, it probably should be.

And this is the perfect opportunity to start looking at ways of broadening the horizons, don't you think?

 

 

I'm pretty sure I was yammering away about that about five minutes ago? :)

[Aqui]

As I've said previously, if the consensus is agreed upon and a name found, then I have absolutely no objections to having two, or more styles.

 

Anyway, with regards to a name:

 

http://translate.google.co.uk/#auto|la|report%0A

 

To me, the newer version seems like a report (as something that a Commander would read up on to get the general gist of a foe they may have to face or an ally they are to rendevous with). An IA to me (and is my opinion) is something that may be accessed by a Marine who wishes to know more indepth information on a Chapter. Hopefully, the above link may have an idea or two to reflect this.

[Octavulg]

Then lets adopt that style instead, if it's superiour (because it allows battles and such to be mentioned).

 

But it's shorter and skips over a lot of the detail the longer IA format allows.

 

The two do different things. Which one is superior will depend on individual preference and individual goals.

 

Trying to pick one as 'better' is silly. They're different, and do different things.

[Ecritter]

And to think ... all this headache because one (and I've only seen one) person wants to do the new thingie. What have we become?

[Captain Juan Juarez]

And to think ... all this headache because one (and I've only seen one) person wants to do the new thingie. What have we become?

 

We have become what the Liber isn't intended to be; solely about Index Astartes articles.

[Ecritter]

And to think ... all this headache because one (and I've only seen one) person wants to do the new thingie. What have we become?

 

We have become what the Liber isn't intended to be; solely about Index Astartes articles.

 

The Imperium of Man has stood for over ten thousand years, only to be taken down by the IA9 thing.

 

The Imperium is dead, long live the Imperium. :)

[Ace Debonair]

And to think ... all this headache because one (and I've only seen one) person wants to do the new thingie. What have we become?

It's crazy, isn't it?

 

Hell, I've been drawn into the debate, and I think it's getting silly.

[Ecritter]

And to think ... all this headache because one (and I've only seen one) person wants to do the new thingie. What have we become?

It's crazy, isn't it?

 

Hell, I've been drawn into the debate, and I think it's getting silly.

 

I'm in this just to cause meyhem ... have I succeeded? :)

[Octavulg]

Hey, I'd like to do the new format, too.

 

And if it has a name, and as it accrues more examples, others might as well.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

And to think ... all this headache because one (and I've only seen one) person wants to do the new thingie. What have we become?

 

We have become what the Liber isn't intended to be; solely about Index Astartes articles.

 

The Imperium of Man has stood for over ten thousand years, only to be taken down by the IA9 thing.

 

The Imperium is dead, long live the Imperium. :)

 

Somwhat overdramatic, methinks.

 

As has been said, the Liber* isn't supposed to just be about IA's, this is simply a way to show people that.

 

*It's happening again...

[Ecritter]

It is a wicked tool of Chaos. Sent to bring down our great Librarium.

 

I call forth a crusade to strike it down!!!

[Octavulg]

I can respect kneejerk xenophobia. :)

 

Burn everyone, to be on the safe side.