Those-IA-Equivalent-Things-in-Imperial-Armor

[Heru]

Back tracking on my previous post:

++CHAPTERS OF THE ADEPTUS ASTARTES++ Subforums

 

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:DIY Chapter Creation (Loyalists and Renegades):

I don't see "sport" listed there.

 

Besides who really cares about a sport with a personality disorder (is it football or is it soccer!).

 

NA stands as something people would actually use on the forums in reference, and AA stands in regards to "Anti-Aircraft" also something that would be commonly seen.

[Ace Debonair]

I don't understand "is that they don't everyone to think their work sucks." :lol:

 

I think the missing word is 'want', making it "...is that they don't want everyone to think their work sucks".

I say that, because that's what I thought it said when I read it. <_<

[Ferrata]

You can't have HA because thats Ha, it is like you are laughing at them <_<

 

Actually, to be serious, I don't think you need to avoid things like FA or AA or NA if the name is quite good.

 

I concur with Ace, Octavulg missed the word "want" out, making it "is that they don't want everyone to think their work sucks."

[Ecritter]

Praelium Astartes or Dux Astartes?

[Octavulg]

"is that they don't want everyone to think their work sucks."

 

Absolutely correct.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

I don't understand "is that they don't everyone to think their work sucks." ^_^

 

I think the missing word is 'want', making it "...is that they don't want everyone to think their work sucks".

I say that, because that's what I thought it said when I read it. :lol:

Blast <_<

 

I must have worded it poorly. Let me rephrase the question - What is the Liber Astarte's purpose?

[Octavulg]

Well, at its base, what it says under the forum title:

 

DIY Chapter Creation (Loyalists and Renegades)

[Heru]

That's true. I would rather have a one style fits all, because 1) it sets a standard and 2) it really helps the editors.

We don't need one standard, as not everyone can write to the same standard. It is already bad enough as it is with IAs as they are now, the Liber has become about writing IAs rather than write about Chapters/Warbands/Sisters/Inq (CWSI).

 

To use a heretical xenometaphor. The Liber has become one Aspect temple and everyone is an Exarch stuck on the same path. There are other ways to write about a CWSI, and as long as it makes sense and doesn't break the shared universe it should be just as valid.

 

In order to change the "everyone should make an IA" mindset, we need to accept that there is more than one way to talk about your CWSI.

 

 

Edit: By the time I write one reply, there is half a dozen new replies...

[Captain Juan Juarez]

That's true. I would rather have a one style fits all, because 1) it sets a standard and 2) it really helps the editors.

We don't need one standard, as not everyone can write to the same standard. It is already bad enough as it is with IAs as they are now, the Liber has become about writing IAs rather than write about Chapters/Warbands/Sisters/Inq (CWSI).

 

To use a heretical xenometaphor. The Liber has become one Aspect temple and everyone is an Exarch stuck on the same path. There are other ways to write about a CWSI, and as long as it makes sense and doesn't break the shared universe it should be just as valid.

 

In order to change the "everyone should make an IA" mindset, we need to accept that there is more than one way to talk about your CWSI.

 

That brought a tear to my eye, beautiful!

 

I've been banging on about this since I started posting in this thread!

[Ecritter]

So ... we just keep the name IA and say write it however you want?

[Ferrata]

What is the Liber Astarte's purpose?

I think I can answer this the best. Liber Astartes is here to provide me with sycophants and Yes men ;)

 

The Mission Statement of the Bolter and Chainsword is "The Bolter & Chainsword exists to help people learn about modelling, painting, understanding, and playing with power armoured armies in the Warhammer 40k game universe". This will filter down to Liber to the following:

 

The Bolter & Chainsword Liber Astartes exists to help people learn about DIY power armoured armies, in particular the background of, in the Warhammer 40k game universe

This may be in the form of recieving or giving feedback, showing off articles you have written or simply a good read.

[Ecritter]

How about Relinquo Astartes?

 

or do away with IA and just call them all Meus Astartes?

[Ace Debonair]

So ... we just keep the name IA and say write it however you want?

To extend Heru's metaphor - that would result in endless paths, none of which would really be fair to judge.

Having a limited number of paths, however, gives people choice in their way of doing things while allowing others to let them know when they're wandering off the paths and doing something silly.

 

And CJJ, I guess you can call yourself a visionary now. ;)

[Heru]

That's true. I would rather have a one style fits all, because 1) it sets a standard and 2) it really helps the editors.

We don't need one standard, as not everyone can write to the same standard. It is already bad enough as it is with IAs as they are now, the Liber has become about writing IAs rather than write about Chapters/Warbands/Sisters/Inq (CWSI).

 

To use a heretical xenometaphor. The Liber has become one Aspect temple and everyone is an Exarch stuck on the same path. There are other ways to write about a CWSI, and as long as it makes sense and doesn't break the shared universe it should be just as valid.

 

In order to change the "everyone should make an IA" mindset, we need to accept that there is more than one way to talk about your CWSI.

 

That brought a tear to my eye, beautiful!

 

I've been banging on about this since I started posting in this thread!

As have Octy and I. We've all been saying the same thing in different ways (sort of like different articles ;) ). It's just that Octy and I see this new format as a mechanism to change the current system. It being an official article format just gives it a little bit more weight.

 

In regards to any name for the article type, I think it is important that it is easy to know what you are dealing with. Any random latin fancy name is just that, fancy latin. It has no real ability to convey what you are actually dealing with, if you don't already know, and if you look it up in a latin dictionary, that isn't really going to help either.

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

Well, at its base, what it says under the forum title:

 

DIY Chapter Creation (Loyalists and Renegades)

Right... and that's what I'm trying to get at. You can't just come here and say "I only want to write about battle for my chapter!" or "I only want to write about the history of my chapter!" You are here to create a chapter. To create an IA. If you don't want to do that, you're in the wrong place.

 

The reason I say that we need a standard is because there is no "in a way that suits you best" in the description of the purpose of the Liber Astartes. There shouldn't be. We aren't here to care for your every DIYing need, we are here to make the best possible chapter out of the idea and concept the author has. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

That should be flexible, yes. But there should be a certain standard that is the bare minimum that an authour has to do to be accepted into the Librarium.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

And CJJ, I guess you can call yourself a visionary now. ;)

 

I feel like one of the dudes who said the world was round, but wasn't even considered important enough to lock up.

 

Now everyone seems to have noted the world is round, but I lay forgotten by the wayside.

 

Oh the sorrow -_-

[Heru]

@ DAT: An IA does not a Chapter make.

[Octavulg]

Ecritter

 

So ... we just keep the name IA and say write it however you want?

 

I'd say no. We've got a bunch of examples of how GW produces IAs, and it's pretty clear what is and isn't included at this point. There's definitely some room to maneuver, but calling an iambic pentameter chronicle of your Chapter's history and nature an IA would be misleading.

 

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DAT

 

Right... and that's what I'm trying to get at. You can't just come here and say "I only want to write about battle for my chapter!" or "I only want to write about the history of my chapter!" You are here to create a chapter. To create an IA. If you don't want to do that, you're in the wrong place.

 

Why can't you?

 

The reason I say that we need a standard is because there is no "in a way that suits you best" in the description of the purpose of the Liber Astartes. There shouldn't be. We aren't here to care for your every DIYing need, we are here to make the best possible chapter out of the idea and concept the author has. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

There is no "in the way that suits us" in the description, either.

 

That should be flexible, yes. But there should be a certain standard that is the bare minimum that an authour has to do to be accepted into the Librarium.

 

The Liber is not about creating Librarium articles, either, any more than the PC&A is or the Space Wolves forum is.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Well, at its base, what it says under the forum title:

 

DIY Chapter Creation (Loyalists and Renegades)

Right... and that's what I'm trying to get at. You can't just come here and say "I only want to write about battle for my chapter!" or "I only want to write about the history of my chapter!" You are here to create a chapter. To create an IA. If you don't want to do that, you're in the wrong place.

 

The reason I say that we need a standard is because there is no "in a way that suits you best" in the description of the purpose of the Liber Astartes. There shouldn't be. We aren't here to care for your every DIYing need, we are here to make the best possible chapter out of the idea and concept the author has. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

That should be flexible, yes. But there should be a certain standard that is the bare minimum that an authour has to do to be accepted into the Librarium.

 

Actually you are wrong; the title and object of the forum in way describes how such an outcome should come about, just what the desired outcome is.

 

It is all about the way that suits you best, simply because no one has the right to tell you you cannot do something - the Liber is about creating Chapters however you wish to.

[Aqui]

From what I can see is this. The current format that IA/IT's tend to take is what is usually expected to be accepted in the Librarium.

 

Somehow, someway along the line, the general message has been twisted (inadvertently) that any IA/IT has to be in that format. If some one wants to use the Liber for feedback about what they are doing/have done, then it should be business as usual - i.e. feedback should be given in our unique (bowling ball :D ;) -_- ;) :( etc) way regardless of the format. If the feedback asked for is about a Librarium article, then I really think that the underlining question that should be asked right now (and hopefully answered) is: When an IA/IT etc is submitted to the Librarium to be added, is the current format acceptable, or should it be changed?

 

If the answer is no, then that is what we should all now be looking to change/standardise the way IA/IT's etc are presented.

 

EDIT: Damn it I think CJJ ninja'd me!

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

DAT

 

Right... and that's what I'm trying to get at. You can't just come here and say "I only want to write about battle for my chapter!" or "I only want to write about the history of my chapter!" You are here to create a chapter. To create an IA. If you don't want to do that, you're in the wrong place.

 

Why can't you?

 

Because that doesn't create a chapter. It needs both, not one or the other. Actions may provide an example of the chapter's character, but are not the description of the chapter itself.

 

The reason I say that we need a standard is because there is no "in a way that suits you best" in the description of the purpose of the Liber Astartes. There shouldn't be. We aren't here to care for your every DIYing need, we are here to make the best possible chapter out of the idea and concept the author has. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

There is no "in the way that suits us" in the description, either.

 

Of course there isn't. It's not about us. It's not about me, or you, or Ace, or Ydalir, or any of the other editors - it's about the chapter itself. It's for the betterment of the chapters.

 

That should be flexible, yes. But there should be a certain standard that is the bare minimum that an authour has to do to be accepted into the Librarium.

 

The Liber is not about creating Librarium articles, either, any more than the PC&A is or the Space Wolves forum is.

No, but it should be aspired to, as a mark of being finished. If the authors have nothing to motivate them besides making their chapter cool, what's to stop them writing ridiculous things like they have 3000 marines and other such nonsense that is so regularily looked down upon?

[Aqui]

No, but it should be aspired to, as a mark of being finished. If the authors have nothing to motivate them besides making their chapter cool, what's to stop them writing ridiculous things like they have 3000 marines and other such nonsense that is so regularily looked down upon?

 

What will stop them will be the lack of interest that such things create. Ultimately, if someone wants to do that - then that's up to them. People will critique IA/IT's as they will.

[Ferrus Manus]

Firstly, my apologies to anyone who takes offence to the forth coming post.

 

Right some of the comments made in this topic have sounded quite dictatorial. What right do any of us have to dictate to the rest of the community about the way they wish to write an article about their Chapter? Surely trying to limit the amount of 'acceptable' ways to right about a Chapter is going to stifle creativity. If you cast your minds back to the Iron Man Competition that Ferrata put together a couple of years ago (I think), members were encourage to think outside of the box when presenting the information about the Chapter they were entering. The entries included Inquisitorial reports, IAs and a few other presentation methods. Now, what if Ferrata, being the great mod boss that he is (no sarcasm intended - honest -_- ), had said IAs only because our core member base only deem them to be the accepted way of presenting a Chapter? It would have been boring. Like the rest of you, I enjoy reading IAs but for once it was nice to read Chapters presented in other formats.

 

I'm all for giving a name to 'Those-IA-Equivalent-Things-in-Imperial-Armour' just cause it will be easier to discuss them, but trying to then dictate which formats are acceptable to be used in the Liber is plain idiotic.

 

Rant over.

 

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DAT

 

Because that doesn't create a chapter. It needs both, not one or the other. Actions may provide an example of the chapter's character, but are not the description of the chapter itself.

So? Maybe I want to only write about a certain aspect of my Chapter. Because I haven't or am not intending to write an IA, does that stop me write clicking the 'New Topic' button in the Liber? No.

 

Of course there isn't. It's not about us. It's not about me, or you, or Ace, or Ydalir, or any of the other editors - it's about the chapter itself. It's for the betterment of the chapters.

No your right, it's about the author and how they want to portray their own Chapter.

 

No, but it should be aspired to, as a mark of being finished. If the authors have nothing to motivate them besides making their chapter cool, what's to stop them writing ridiculous things like they have 3000 marines and other such nonsense that is so regularily looked down upon?

Sigh. You weren't around when I first joined the B&C so I'll forgive you that comment. In those days, before the Librarium, people like Commissar Molotov, Aurelius Rex and Nine_Breaker (names that are now whispered in fear ( ;) ) ) wrote Chapters because they wanted to; because they wanted to take GW's Chapter concept and make it into their own. To really make their hobby theirs. It was never about the Librarium; and to be honest, its sad to see that all authors in the Liber care about anymore is getting their IA into the Librarium, not really taking their ideas and concepts and truely making something great.

 

CJJ - As I said above. I agree with what you've said.

[Octavulg]

Aquilanus

 

From what I can see is this. The current format that IA/IT's tend to take is what is usually expected to be accepted in the Librarium.

 

Actually, the Librarium’s perfectly happy to take things that aren’t IAs. Look in there now and there are a few examples.

 

Somehow, someway along the line, the general message has been twisted (inadvertently) that any IA/IT has to be in that format.

 

Personally, I think it would help if we stopped calling all articles about DIY Chapters IAs. Calling them that only confuses things further (and implies that there is a right way to do it by associating them with the GW ones).

 

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DAT

 

Because that doesn't create a chapter. It needs both, not one or the other. Actions may provide an example of the chapter's character, but are not the description of the chapter itself.

 

True. But if that’s all people want to create about their DIY Chapter, than it is not unreasonable to help them do that.

 

I mean, if they want to submit five separate one-thousand word battle accounts about the same Chapter to the Librarium, I think that would be a problem, but that’s a question of formatting and indexing and archiving, not of actual content.

 

Of course there isn't. It's not about us. It's not about me, or you, or Ace, or Ydalir, or any of the other editors - it's about the chapter itself. It's for the betterment of the chapters.

 

Indeed. However, the author is the one who defines the betterment of his Chapter, and thus if all the author wants is a quick blurb and a battle account, that is what the author should get help with.

 

No, but it should be aspired to, as a mark of being finished.

 

I would concur. But not everyone is after the same things from the Librarium (or from the Liber Astartes), and we should not expect them to be so.

 

I would argue it is reasonable to expect a certain standard of quality in a Librarium submission, because to do otherwise is unfair to the readers and hurts the Librarium’s reputation. Beyond that, what matters to both the Liber and the Librarium is ensuring that the author is happy with what they have and is getting what they want.

 

If the authors have nothing to motivate them besides making their chapter cool, what's to stop them writing ridiculous things like they have 3000 marines and other such nonsense that is so regularily looked down upon?

 

Nothing beyond the general ridicule of those around them if they do it badly, really.

[Aqui]

Octavulg, I reread what I put and I didn't quite make myself clear :wallbash:

 

From what I can see is this. The current format that IA/IT's tend to take is what is usually expected to be accepted in the Librarium.

 

What I meant to say was that perhaps it is the general perception (Or at least when I first joined the B+C I thought that way - now after all this, perhaps I need to rethink what I'd like to see in such things...). You are right - taking the format that most people take isn't necessarily the right/best way to do it ;)

 

 

Personally, I think it would help if we stopped calling all articles about DIY Chapters IAs. Calling them that only confuses things further (and implies that there is a right way to do it by associating them with the GW ones).

 

Again, probably. I've only ever intended to use the term(s) IA/IT's to describe the result, not the method that I used to create articles about my DIY's.