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Hello everyone!

 

I had a quick question about the wording on the rules page for the new land raider. It says "A Land Raider Achilles is also a Heavy Support choice in a Codex Space Marines, Codex Black Templars, Codex Space Wolves, or Codex: Dark Angels army."

 

Does this mean the Blood Angels are still able to use it as a dedicated transport? I'm more curious than anything else, as I'll be purchasing one either way.

 

Thanks for input!

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My understanding is that it says also because that Landraider is part of an imperial armour book and thus defaults as a choice when playing with imperial armour rules/armies (think of it like a quazi paralell codex and modified rules system). But as well as being a choice for whatever armylist it is part of in the IA book it specifies that it is availible as a Heavy support choice in the codexes mentioned.

 

By strick RAW you cant take it at all in a BA list (but IA rules are in a semi grey area anyway), but I think most opponents would consider it reasonable for use as a Heavy unit in codex BA like any other such IA units given you basically need permission to use IA rules in a codex army anyway. Dunno about it being a dedicated transport tho, the other raiders are dedicated because the chapter runs them as line transports & they are designed to do this job well, the Achilles is a heavy support unit with limited Transport capacity. It seems better suited to being a Heavy unit to me.

 

But as I have said IA rules in a codex army are player permission teritory anyway. So its all down to your opponents.

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Don't think BA's can have it.

 

While it looks all shiney on paper - really dont see any purpose for it - its essentially a 300 point gun boat - since its NOT an assault vehicle with only side doors. I'd rather have 1 and a half storm ravens!

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Yeah your well within your rights to say no to playing against it.

 

A MoTF w/ 5 servo dudes - he repairs weapon destroyed/imob'd on a 2+ from inside the tank .... prob the best use for it. Get x2 of them few riflemen dreads - might be "fun" for a bit.

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Hey firedrake you do realise that people seem to think they will get access to the Raven Via a White Dwarf thing which I would not put past them.

 

Suddenly, I am not that convinced that GW will make the Raven SM-wide. When the Newsletter was released, it said the new models were only for the Blood Angels...might be interpretating too much, but hey, that's just my point of view.

 

 

Snorri

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the raven will likely only be ours first, then greyknights. then about 6 months later after loads have started greyknights and bought a shedload of em that theyll maby allow normal marines to have them so that they have to go and buy another shedload....

 

I know GW often doesn't make any sense, but I can't see the logic in making the Stormraven chapter-wide after "x" period of time. Yes, we have our Priests, the Thirst, DoA, DC and Fast Rhino Chassis, but the point of having a separate Codex is for the sake of differentiation from the norm. The Raven, barring the Grey Knight mention, should stay BA-centric, otherwise I'll gladly have access to Thunderfire Cannons, Landspeeder Storms and Conversion Beamers G-dub thanks all the same (not just for rules but for modelling reasons also).

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Perhaps they thought the combination of LSS with a Locator Beacon and our Deep Striking units was too powerful? I don't see why, we hardly scatter anyway.

 

Although 3 units of CC scouts in LSS with Locator Beacons, an Honour Guard, 3 units of VGV, plus a couple units of Sanguinary Guard with Priests would be fun to play.

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Personally I don't find Achilles so necessary for BA army... 2 twin-linked MMeltas.. well that's not bad, but Thunderfire cannon turns it into artillery, rather than a transport, as we use Land Raiders now. Heavy-armored artillery with AT-capabilities... still I'm not that impressed to want it so much :P

Also the other topic here contains the following information:

I've heard the following is coming:

 

Stormraven Gunship (February WD includes rules for all Chapters to use it)

Furioso Dreadnought (includes bits to make Librarian/Death Company Dread)

Blood Angel Battleforce (Current contents unknown).

 

No mention of new metal models at all.

So if the other Chapters get Stormraven, why wouldn't BA get Land Speeder Storm or even Achilles? There is alway hope for the best, isn't it? :P

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Please note, with the best of intentions towards Zekk_Sirius - "I've heard..." usually translates I read something on teh interwebz and I lolls it!. It may be, it may not be, but it certaionly isnt worth getting your knickers in a twist about because some warhampster geek starts to spread a fanboi rumour about a unit he wants in his own army.
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Forgive me if I'm remembering wrong, but can't Codex marines already do that with pods?

 

Yes. But of course, you can't fire it on the turn it comes in so it's rather pointless to pod them unless you just want a fluffy drop pod list and didn't take a Master of the Forge to fill your heavy slots with dreads.

Even if you could fire a T-fire (Achilles or standard) on the turn it came in, it's certainly not game-breaking in an age where Mawlocks are popping up and dropping low AP large blasts, and Rambo-like guardsmen suddenly jump out from behind lampposts to demo charge your landraider. :tu:

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I'm guessing that the Achilles is not intended for BA use. The rules specifically state which Codices it is compatible with, and it utilises a weapon which the Blood Angels do not have access to (Thunderfire Cannon).

The Space Wolves don't have access to the Thunderfire Cannon in their codex either, yet the LR Achilles is available to them !

 

I suppose in friendly games (as opposed to tournament) you could ask your opponent if your could use an Achilles. If you wanted to keep it fluffy, you could justify this by saying that it was on loan from another friendly SM chapter for trials or cross-training, etc. I would love to field an Achilles. It is as hard as nails and the model looks really cool.

 

On the subject of Storm Raven availability, personally I would be disappointed if it was available to other chapters. I can understand that possibly more models would be sold, but they haven't made the Baal Pred available to other chapters and this is a seperate kit (although I do accept it is based on the Rhino chasis). With the SR being available to Grey Knights they will still sell lots of units because GK will be a huge hit I'm sure.

 

G

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