Max Power Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Hello everyone! I had a quick question about the wording on the rules page for the new land raider. It says "A Land Raider Achilles is also a Heavy Support choice in a Codex Space Marines, Codex Black Templars, Codex Space Wolves, or Codex: Dark Angels army." Does this mean the Blood Angels are still able to use it as a dedicated transport? I'm more curious than anything else, as I'll be purchasing one either way. Thanks for input! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman_woo Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 My understanding is that it says also because that Landraider is part of an imperial armour book and thus defaults as a choice when playing with imperial armour rules/armies (think of it like a quazi paralell codex and modified rules system). But as well as being a choice for whatever armylist it is part of in the IA book it specifies that it is availible as a Heavy support choice in the codexes mentioned. By strick RAW you cant take it at all in a BA list (but IA rules are in a semi grey area anyway), but I think most opponents would consider it reasonable for use as a Heavy unit in codex BA like any other such IA units given you basically need permission to use IA rules in a codex army anyway. Dunno about it being a dedicated transport tho, the other raiders are dedicated because the chapter runs them as line transports & they are designed to do this job well, the Achilles is a heavy support unit with limited Transport capacity. It seems better suited to being a Heavy unit to me. But as I have said IA rules in a codex army are player permission teritory anyway. So its all down to your opponents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulley Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Don't think BA's can have it. While it looks all shiney on paper - really dont see any purpose for it - its essentially a 300 point gun boat - since its NOT an assault vehicle with only side doors. I'd rather have 1 and a half storm ravens! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefireinferno Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 All you need is a MOTF and a scout squad and it becomes a near unkillable tank of doom for the Rest of the codex armies which I think is bogus since people all think WD is giving them the Raven which will make me NERDRAGE But then again it is IA so you can be like NAH brah no game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulley Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Yeah your well within your rights to say no to playing against it. A MoTF w/ 5 servo dudes - he repairs weapon destroyed/imob'd on a 2+ from inside the tank .... prob the best use for it. Get x2 of them few riflemen dreads - might be "fun" for a bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 it specifically lists what armies can take it...soo.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firedrake28 Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 We don't need the thing anyway. Let the other Chapters have their new toy and we can enjoy ours. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Save your money for 2 Storm Ravens Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitefireinferno Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Hey firedrake you do realise that people seem to think they will get access to the Raven Via a White Dwarf thing which I would not put past them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingareth Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Yes, and people also thought that the world was flat and that it was a good idea to drink the Kool-Aid. I doubt it'll be retconed into the other Marine books, Grey Knights excepted of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Hey firedrake you do realise that people seem to think they will get access to the Raven Via a White Dwarf thing which I would not put past them. Suddenly, I am not that convinced that GW will make the Raven SM-wide. When the Newsletter was released, it said the new models were only for the Blood Angels...might be interpretating too much, but hey, that's just my point of view. Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 the raven will likely only be ours first, then greyknights. then about 6 months later after loads have started greyknights and bought a shedload of em that theyll maby allow normal marines to have them so that they have to go and buy another shedload.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelus Mortifer Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 the raven will likely only be ours first, then greyknights. then about 6 months later after loads have started greyknights and bought a shedload of em that theyll maby allow normal marines to have them so that they have to go and buy another shedload.... I know GW often doesn't make any sense, but I can't see the logic in making the Stormraven chapter-wide after "x" period of time. Yes, we have our Priests, the Thirst, DoA, DC and Fast Rhino Chassis, but the point of having a separate Codex is for the sake of differentiation from the norm. The Raven, barring the Grey Knight mention, should stay BA-centric, otherwise I'll gladly have access to Thunderfire Cannons, Landspeeder Storms and Conversion Beamers G-dub thanks all the same (not just for rules but for modelling reasons also). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Janos Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 well yeh, we cant have the achillies, big whoop... personally id rather have a nice redeemer dropping in the middle of an enemy army :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonny Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 on that note, why don't we have the Land speeder storm? It seems to fit so well within the blood angels setting - fast, skimming assault vehicles Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Perhaps they thought the combination of LSS with a Locator Beacon and our Deep Striking units was too powerful? I don't see why, we hardly scatter anyway. Although 3 units of CC scouts in LSS with Locator Beacons, an Honour Guard, 3 units of VGV, plus a couple units of Sanguinary Guard with Priests would be fun to play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2568935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercury Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 I'm guessing that the Achilles is not intended for BA use. The rules specifically state which Codices it is compatible with, and it utilises a weapon which the Blood Angels do not have access to (Thunderfire Cannon). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Personally I don't find Achilles so necessary for BA army... 2 twin-linked MMeltas.. well that's not bad, but Thunderfire cannon turns it into artillery, rather than a transport, as we use Land Raiders now. Heavy-armored artillery with AT-capabilities... still I'm not that impressed to want it so much :P Also the other topic here contains the following information: I've heard the following is coming: Stormraven Gunship (February WD includes rules for all Chapters to use it) Furioso Dreadnought (includes bits to make Librarian/Death Company Dread) Blood Angel Battleforce (Current contents unknown). No mention of new metal models at all. So if the other Chapters get Stormraven, why wouldn't BA get Land Speeder Storm or even Achilles? There is alway hope for the best, isn't it? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Please note, with the best of intentions towards Zekk_Sirius - "I've heard..." usually translates I read something on teh interwebz and I lolls it!. It may be, it may not be, but it certaionly isnt worth getting your knickers in a twist about because some warhampster geek starts to spread a fanboi rumour about a unit he wants in his own army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhx711 Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Not only that but a DS'ing Thunderfire cannon might break things abit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabadin Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Not only that but a DS'ing Thunderfire cannon might break things abit. Forgive me if I'm remembering wrong, but can't Codex marines already do that with pods? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Xeones Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Forgive me if I'm remembering wrong, but can't Codex marines already do that with pods? Yes. But of course, you can't fire it on the turn it comes in so it's rather pointless to pod them unless you just want a fluffy drop pod list and didn't take a Master of the Forge to fill your heavy slots with dreads. Even if you could fire a T-fire (Achilles or standard) on the turn it came in, it's certainly not game-breaking in an age where Mawlocks are popping up and dropping low AP large blasts, and Rambo-like guardsmen suddenly jump out from behind lampposts to demo charge your landraider. :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumo9 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 I'm guessing that the Achilles is not intended for BA use. The rules specifically state which Codices it is compatible with, and it utilises a weapon which the Blood Angels do not have access to (Thunderfire Cannon). The Space Wolves don't have access to the Thunderfire Cannon in their codex either, yet the LR Achilles is available to them ! I suppose in friendly games (as opposed to tournament) you could ask your opponent if your could use an Achilles. If you wanted to keep it fluffy, you could justify this by saying that it was on loan from another friendly SM chapter for trials or cross-training, etc. I would love to field an Achilles. It is as hard as nails and the model looks really cool. On the subject of Storm Raven availability, personally I would be disappointed if it was available to other chapters. I can understand that possibly more models would be sold, but they haven't made the Baal Pred available to other chapters and this is a seperate kit (although I do accept it is based on the Rhino chasis). With the SR being available to Grey Knights they will still sell lots of units because GK will be a huge hit I'm sure. G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou666 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 hey, your forgetting that the achilles cant deepstrike, even if it was us who had access to it! it doesnt say in its own datasheet that it has the deepstrike rules! :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Its not even an assault vehicle!! What kind of self-respecting BA player wants to drive around in that? :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215533-land-raider-achilles/#findComment-2569927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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