ADB wants World Eaters

[DeadCell]

Sure, play up the emnity from Angron towards the Emperor and how they're proud unashamed butchers, but please don't create another Lokenised -

 

"oh noes, i'm so torn and confused whatever will I do" character.

 

Wasn't Skraal a World Eater, in Battle For The Abyss?

 

So even when faced with the treachery of their brothers, they were remarkably untorn - the only tearing I see is of their foes.

 

Admittedly a different author, but I'd say that would characterise the Chapter - brutally pragmatic.

 

 

EDIT:

 

Or from the old Mortal Kombat games; "Khârn WINS! FLAWLESS VICTORY! FATALITY!"

 

Not this time Khârn!

 

 

 

Yeah that's exactly what I was saying, Skraal is a good rendition of how I think most people would expect a World Eater to be. I'm just I hope we don't get a "token-Loken", as in a more emotionally diverse character, something you wouldn't really consider of a World Eater.

It's not far fetched, but I don't think many people could really imagine World Eaters "Culture" baulking at things in the Horus Heresy that maybe other Legions would, even Loyalist World Eaters

 

Accepting maybe, but hard and as brutal as you would expect them to be in a War.

[Khestra the Unbeheld]

I don't think you could get a Loken-type character into a World Eaters book, really, at least not in the sense of one with a lot of empathy towards the human aspect of the Astartes. I think the only workable concept would be to build off the Ehrlen prototype and make one who's got a very particular code that would be at odds with the more savage bent that Angron's arrival seemed to lend the Legion. We're not talking about a being who'd be inclined to sit down and have deep conversations with remembrancers, or wax eloquent about flower petals.

[Wrath of Terra]

I don't think you could get a Loken-type character into a World Eaters book, really, at least not in the sense of one with a lot of empathy towards the human aspect of the Astartes. I think the only workable concept would be to build off the Ehrlen prototype and make one who's got a very particular code that would be at odds with the more savage bent that Angron's arrival seemed to lend the Legion. We're not talking about a being who'd be inclined to sit down and have deep conversations with remembrancers, or wax eloquent about flower petals.

 

I've thought that myself. Ehrlen and Skraal would be the template to work off I think; World Eaters with a particular warrior code they live by or who are just plain loyal to the Emperor. The latter would probably tend to be the older Terrans as well.

 

Also, speaking of remembrancers, imagine being the poor poet who gets shipped to a World Eater's fleet and has to petition individual World Eaters for their time... No a lot of verse would have got composed I'd imagine!

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Sure, play up the emnity from Angron towards the Emperor and how they're proud unashamed butchers, but please don't create another Lokenised -

 

"oh noes, i'm so torn and confused whatever will I do" character.

 

Wasn't Skraal a World Eater, in Battle For The Abyss?

 

So even when faced with the treachery of their brothers, they were remarkably untorn - the only tearing I see is of their foes.

 

Admittedly a different author, but I'd say that would characterise the Chapter - brutally pragmatic.

 

 

EDIT:

 

Or from the old Mortal Kombat games; "Khârn WINS! FLAWLESS VICTORY! FATALITY!"

 

Not this time Khârn!

 

 

 

Yeah that's exactly what I was saying, Skraal is a good rendition of how I think most people would expect a World Eater to be. I'm just I hope we don't get a "token-Loken", as in a more emotionally diverse character, something you wouldn't really consider of a World Eater.

It's not far fetched, but I don't think many people could really imagine World Eaters "Culture" baulking at things in the Horus Heresy that maybe other Legions would, even Loyalist World Eaters

 

Accepting maybe, but hard and as brutal as you would expect them to be in a War.

 

And as others have now said, the World Eaters didnt even baulk at slaying their own so despite the impressions of the Legion they appear to actually have a code of honour.

[eaglefists13]

There is a very strange relationship between Angron and the Emperor.

The Emperor stepped in to save both him and Mortarion from doom personally.

This didnt sit well with either primarch and led to the endings they both shared maybe.

 

None of the other Primarchs were found in such circumstances

[douglas9521]

Its been a while since i read them but wasnt there mention of remembrancers etc being basically ignored by the world eaters in the original HH trilogy(i think the death guard was mentioned to) As in they werent with them at all.In flight of the eisenstein which i just read again it says that they are always out of the area when they got sent.I imagine angron being the same but without the subtelty of an oops apology.Im in full agreement with the take on the world eaters in this thread.I dont see the legion being that hand wringing over a rebelion against the imperium.The loyalist world eaters swore an oath to the emperor(they stay loyal) The rest understand the betrayal of angrons warrior code(they rebel) Once again using memory that is often faulty on a good day but didnt Horus say that Angron went down to Istvaan personnely to give his legionaires an honorable death from his own hands.Its like he didnt mind their choice and honoured it with a straight duel.And the loyalist legionaires didnt seem to be that broken either over the betrayal.Would be well chuffed if ADB gets the mission.I cant believe the WE are as stupid as some people make them out to be,in the same way as the sons of russ get a bad rep(lets face it their scouts are some of the most experienced brothers they have,not dumb to put recon in safe hands!!) As long as they dont go for an erebus plot to fool the legion and just go for a straight approach i'll be happy.Horus says "Im going to have a big argument with dad and it may come brother that....." Angron cuts in "Im in horus ole boy,put the kettle on.Stomach thinks ma throats been cut!"

 

P.S as you can see from my literary skills i will not be getting the gig:)

[Captain Juan Juarez]

There is a very strange relationship between Angron and the Emperor.

The Emperor stepped in to save both him and Mortarion from doom personally.

This didnt sit well with either primarch and led to the endings they both shared maybe.

 

None of the other Primarchs were found in such circumstances

 

Actually, the problem Angron had is found in one of the Tales of Heresy short stories...

[Sons of Horus]

This seems exciting especially because the world eaters don't have much depth to them at the moment. And we all know that ADB + pen + paper = AWESOME

[Captain Juan Juarez]

And we all know that ADB + pen + paper = AWESOME

 

Not to disparage the dudes talent, but there will be a bad book at some point.. It's inevitable.

[Ashe Darke]

Shhh don't curse it! It may happen but lets just keep quiet and let the good times roll.

[Zynk Kaladin]

I just hope it has a suitable amount of battles unlike the more recent HH books (which put me to sleep more often than not).

[A D-B]

I just hope it has a suitable amount of battles unlike the more recent HH books (which put me to sleep more often than not).

 

"Suitable" is something that means something different to everyone. If you didn't like The First Heretic, you probably won't like any other HH novel I do. Them's the breaks.

[Ashe Darke]

I just hope it has a suitable amount of battles unlike the more recent HH books (which put me to sleep more often than not).

 

"Suitable" is something that means something different to everyone. If you didn't like The First Heretic, you probably won't like any other HH novel I do. Them's the breaks.

And this is what I like about your books. That and the fact you don't linger for longer than necessary. The First Heretic saw loads of locations, most HH books visit a handful. The same is true of Throne of Lies as well which was what made it more compelling for me than the other ones I've heard.

[Balthamal]

Well if adds some depth to the World Eaters in any shape or form I'm going to buy it and I'll probably do as I've done with the last couple of books and read them cover to cover the day I get them.

 

From what I was able to gather from various sources prior to reading TFH, the Word Bearers were religious zealots wandering the galaxy converting worlds to the worship of the Emperor and later the Chaos Gods. Fast forward to after reading TFH, I, at least actually cared why they were doing it.

 

If that's going to be the end result of the World Eaters novel then high 5 to that

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

I just hope it has a suitable amount of battles unlike the more recent HH books (which put me to sleep more often than not).

 

"Suitable" is something that means something different to everyone. If you didn't like The First Heretic, you probably won't like any other HH novel I do. Them's the breaks.

 

That's awesome.

 

Your work on The First Heretic made me understand, if not like, the Word Bearers.

 

We already know the World Eaters kick butt by the boat loads, but not much of their heresy-era character. If you do the job on the WE that you did on the WB, then i predict another best seller.

 

WLK

[Ethrion]

I just hope it has a suitable amount of battles unlike the more recent HH books (which put me to sleep more often than not).

 

"Suitable" is something that means something different to everyone. If you didn't like The First Heretic, you probably won't like any other HH novel I do. Them's the breaks.

 

That's awesome.

 

Your work on The First Heretic made me understand, if not like, the Word Bearers.

 

We already know the World Eaters kick butt by the boat loads, but not much of their heresy-era character. If you do the job on the WE that you did on the WB, then i predict another best seller.

 

WLK

 

That's the same for me too actually. Word Bearers had always been the one Legion I had hated and really had no interest in whatsoever. After the First Heretic I had aspirations to actually do a whole Word Bearer army. I did manage to restrain my enthusiasm but I still do like them now!

 

Actually now that I think about it, I was never that interested in the Night Lords until I read Soul Hunter... now I have a 2000pt Night Lord army!

 

I think A D-B might be one of the ruinous powers (at least for me!) LOL :woot:

[Zynk Kaladin]

I just hope it has a suitable amount of battles unlike the more recent HH books (which put me to sleep more often than not).

 

"Suitable" is something that means something different to everyone. If you didn't like The First Heretic, you probably won't like any other HH novel I do. Them's the breaks.

 

Looks like I'm going to black-list your books and shout insults at you from now on "ITS ALL YOUR FAULT" (kidding). If what you say is true, then I hope you don't get the World Eaters. But I don't think what you said is correct.

 

While I enjoyed the book for its fluff value and character development, it's fights did not meet the high standards placed by the the HH books up to Fulgrim, where afterwards the conflicts started to degrade in intensity. The First Heretic has a wealth of background information about the genesis of the Great Betrayal from the Word Bearer's view and did a good job at putting things in perspective. One thing about a particular fight enjoyed was when

the retreating Raven Guard got ambushed and their Captain got cheated out of the fight from a lascannon

. That really underscored the betrayal and overall lack of honor the Word Bearers had. However, I found the fights lacking except obviously, the Drop Site Massacre. This could be due to the fact that the Word Bearer's, like Lorgar, are not really a "fighting-type" legion. Personally, I enjoy my books where the Marines do pretty darn cool outrageous things like Loken's Alamo, or Ragnar's ramming a chaos warship and boarding it, or Skraal's throwing a chain axe at his enemy just to prove a point. Heck, it doesn't have to be a mindless slaughtering of <insert enemy here>, but rather a strategic "game" where the protagonist has to use very clever and out-of-the-box tactics to achieve victory. Even a standard marine battle can be enjoyable if given enough detail and overall meaning to the fight.

 

I'm hoping the reason I did not enjoy The First Heretic was because I do not enjoy the Word Bearers or their reasons for fighting their battles. I felt their fights were put on poor foundations. If you do get the World Eaters, I'm also hoping that their background I enjoy so much will give you a damn good launching point for the conflicts which HAVE to be in a WE book. I would appreciate it not become a giant talking session that I feel like certain HH books have become and I feel yours was until the end.

 

I'll end on this note. You have balls to come on this forum and take this crap from people like me. I salute you.

 

EDIT: added spoiler tags just in case

[Captain Juan Juarez]

I just hope it has a suitable amount of battles unlike the more recent HH books (which put me to sleep more often than not).

 

"Suitable" is something that means something different to everyone. If you didn't like The First Heretic, you probably won't like any other HH novel I do. Them's the breaks.

 

I find the enjoyable part of your books the characters; you could have them all standing around in seperate rooms having internal monolouges and I'd still read.

 

What goes on around them only reinforces that interest, rather than takes it over.

[Sons of Horus]

what I really like about ADB is that his books aren't full of mindless slaughter. They actually develop the character of the Astartes in a way that makes them easy to relate to. He has a way of making the reader (or at least me ;)) empathize with the characters. I absolutely love Talos and Argel Tal. I hope he is able to flesh-out the World Eaters as well as he did the Word Bearers and Night Lords. Great writing ADB!

[GooseDaMoose]

I always prefer there to be a bit of mysticism about the way Space Marines act. I mean, we shouldn't really be able to relate to them seeing as they aren't human. That's actually one of the things I liked about Talos and the Night Lords in ADB's book; the way they treat each other. Or the bit about him not remembering his mother and later putting the little girl under his personal protection. If I recall correctly, which I may very well not as I do not at the moment have time to look it up, this was never explained to any great detail.

 

That being said Loken was pretty well developed in a way where we understood what his dealio was, without making him too human, which I find is the problem with a lot of Space Marine fiction.

 

The World Eaters especially though, in my opinion, need to have a sort of psychotic-ness to them that us (somewhat) mentally healthy humans can not relate to very well. I am very interested to see how whoever will end up writing this novel will handle this.

[2000AD]

The World Eaters really should get 2 books IMO...... as one of the legions linked to one of the 4 chaos powers, it only seems right.

[Lord_Caerolion]

I just hope it has a suitable amount of battles unlike the more recent HH books (which put me to sleep more often than not).

 

"Suitable" is something that means something different to everyone. If you didn't like The First Heretic, you probably won't like any other HH novel I do. Them's the breaks.

 

That's why we love you so much. Anyone can write "They fight and they win cuz they is teh awesomz!!" To you, a battle is a means to an end in a story, which is exactly what it should be, not glorified battle reports.

[ShiftyWolf]

I agree with Lord_Caerolion. I have read far to many 40K fiction that are just crazy action the whole time and it completely puts me off reading any fiction that has to do with 40K and warhammer. I've got to the point now where a lot of bloody action in a book just isn't appealing to me any more and I usually try to avoid such books now. What I would like to see is a firm story and good developing characters that draw you in. I read a bit from Sons of Horus and rather enjoyed it when I was expecting just a whole bunch of Space Marines kicking butt battles.

 

Just my opinion anyway.

[RapatoR]

I just hope it has a suitable amount of battles unlike the more recent HH books (which put me to sleep more often than not).

 

"Suitable" is something that means something different to everyone. If you didn't like The First Heretic, you probably won't like any other HH novel I do. Them's the breaks.

 

That's why we love you so much. Anyone can write "They fight and they win cuz they is teh awesomz!!" To you, a battle is a means to an end in a story, which is exactly what it should be, not glorified battle reports.

Seconded. Sometimes I am getting tired of some parts in W40k book where on every fourth page is stated: he swinged his chainsword, he dodged his enemy, then killed him and so on.

[Sons of Horus]

Well glorified battle scenes are great too but not if they don't add to the plot of the novel and, more importantly, to the plot of 30k/40k as a whole. The readers need to be able to understand why the battles are taking place and for what reason. It gets boring when you read something along the lines of "We are astartes! We must kill everything not human! For the emperor" and then not have any of it explained. It gets even worse when you don't care about the characters doing it because they simply were not like-able.