Gree Posted November 22, 2010 Share Posted November 22, 2010 Going over at Warseer some copies are starting to circulate around. Does anyone here have one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted November 23, 2010 Author Share Posted November 23, 2010 Alright, Here are some spoilers from Warseer. Here is the original thread. http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.p...526#post5138526 Cast: Primarchs Russ – The Wolf King Magnus – The Crimson King The Rout Onn Gunner Gunnhilt - called Lord Gunn, Jarl Tra Ogvai Ogvai – Jarl Helmschrot Ulvurul Heoroth - Called Longfang, Rune Priest Bear Aeska - Called Brokenlip Godsmote Galeg Aun Helwintr Ogcir Jormungdr - Called two-blade Ullste Erthung Redhand Oje Svessl Emrah Horune Najot Threader - Wolf Priest Fyf Amlodhi Skarssen - jarl Varangr - hearld to lord skarssenson Ohthere wyrdmake - Rune priest Thrung Bitur Bercaw Imperial personae Giro Emantine – prefect-secretary to the unification council Kasper hawser – conservator, also known as Admad ibn Rustah Navid Murza – Conservator Non-imperial personae Fith of the Ascommani Guthox of the Ascommani Brom of the Ascommani Lern of the Ascommani In the past Rector Uwe Up until Book 2 (WOLF TALES) the book has centred on Kasper hawser in the present and in his memories. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh… Apart from they don’t like being called space wolves. They prefer “The Vlka Fenryka, if being formal, or the Rout -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- During the last few pages of the novel the character Bear observes two dreadnoughts marching off and notes, how terrible it must be to be incased in such a machine. A few lines later it is revealed, that Kasper Hawser (the main character of the novel) misunderstood Bear's name all those years and that his real name is "Bjorn"... The last one was the most interesting to me. Going by the cast list and preview on Hammer and Bolter, it does not seem like we will have the jokey, laid-back Wolves of the 41st Millenium. Abnett seems to go for more of a Germanic flavor in additon to their Norse roots. Plus our main character seems to be a normal human, and not one of the Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2569938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Kasper Hawser? Really? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2570030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted November 23, 2010 Author Share Posted November 23, 2010 McNeill has ''Pascal Blaise'' in Killing Ground. Why not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2570339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Geneologically-speaking, the only real difference between a German and a Scandinavian is language and how much snow you see in your lifetime. If the rituals of Fenris are akin to pre-Christianity Scandinavia, then it'll also be akin to pre-Christianity Germany, since by and large they held the same religion and social norms. I'm stoked for this book, and I don't even like the Space Wolves. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2570343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Playing more with the Nordic/Germanic theme is way better than overdoing the whole lupine theme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2570362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mechanicum Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 grrr, have to wait until the 16th to pick up the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2573204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 @Gree: Bjorn's...apprehension of dreadnoughts was first said in the Horus Heresy: Collected Visions. that part isnt really new. being called the "Rout" is new though. and interesting. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2573212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted November 27, 2010 Author Share Posted November 27, 2010 @Gree: Bjorn's...apprehension of dreadnoughts was first said in the Horus Heresy: Collected Visions. that part isnt really new. being called the "Rout" is new though. and interesting. WLK Yes, I'm rather amused after reading the Ragnar books to find out that they don't actually like being called Wolves in Prospero Burns? Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2573239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 @Gree: Bjorn's...apprehension of dreadnoughts was first said in the Horus Heresy: Collected Visions. that part isnt really new. being called the "Rout" is new though. and interesting. WLK Yes, I'm rather amused after reading the Ragnar books to find out that they don't actually like being called Wolves in Prospero Burns? Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the book. well, if the Imperium proves anything, it shows that ideas and identity can change over 10,000 years... WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2573253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted November 27, 2010 Author Share Posted November 27, 2010 More spoilers from Warseer. 1: Most of the middle of the book follows the space wolves as they take out a planet system of robots (AI) 2: For a good description of what the different primarch/chapters purpose. There is no better than a statement I feel than a Longfang after Horus is named Warmaster. Basically: One to be heir One to build his defences One to command his armies One to guard the hearth One to watch the distant perimeter One to control the intelligences And Russ, Russ was his Executioner. 3: On Page 308 we finally get to the trial of Magnus at Nikaea. Until this point none of the other Primarchs are involved in the book and the interactions with the other chapters is non excitant. Ohthere Wyrdmake turns up for the first time. 4: Russ doesn’t turn up until page 317 as a character 5: The Space Wolves had 3 companies at Nikaea hidden from all outside knowledge (bar custodians and the emperor) and were hidden by the silent sisterhood. They were there in case Magnus and his legion reacted badly…. 6: Kasper Hawser is actually a spy for someone. He was psychically changed so he would understand the space wolves languages and adapt to there mind set. He has know knowledge of any of this (until he loses the ability to translate when he is surrounded by blanks and Russ) Russ is determined to find out who is playing games. As to the book so far. It's very different to alot of the others. It is very low pace for a start as there are few battles. From my feel of the book they are trying to set a different spin on space wolves to “just feral warriors” and aiming more at the character of the chapter They keep showing there observation skills as well as there high level of perception and intelligence. They prove there point in the book by calmly waiting until they have full control of an area by administration paper work before they devastate the opponent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2573662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 being called the "Rout" is new though. and interesting. WLK Yes, I'm rather amused after reading the Ragnar books to find out that they don't actually like being called Wolves in Prospero Burns? Throws a whole 'nother light on Magnus' proclamation that 'there are no wolves on Fenris'. I guess even the two-legged variety don't count, either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2573676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 More spoilers from Warseer. [ One to be heir Everything else is woah! And understandable and I'm glad it is like that, but that one line throws up a question for me. I (think I ) have worked who was what but that one I cannot place a name. I'd like to say Guilliman but he could be one of the others.. Thanks though Gree for that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2573683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted November 30, 2010 Author Share Posted November 30, 2010 Another one. So Finished the book last night. It was good but not one of my top 3 and I thought "A Thousand Sons" was better one big bit at the end though which alot of people might have already thought. Don't read unless you want to keep some things a suprise Kasper hawser life was moulded by the Primordial Annihilator (the body of chaos who planned the whole corruption of Horus and battle against the emperor to make mankind there greatest conquest by defeating the Emperor) The aim was to split the two forces that might oppose the rise of Horus. The first foe was the LOYAL (but misguided) Thousand Sons, The Emperors sorcerers. They had the power to push back the forces of chaos. The second was the Space Wolves. There were the only Astrates force who’s military might could oppose Horus’s forces. By spinning a war against them and making Russ believe that Magnus put Kasper into the wolves’ hands as a spy (Russ even begs Magnus to stand down and surrender through Kasper before the assault on Prospero) The forces of chaos hoped that they would wipe each other out. Though the Thousand sons fled and were out of the war they had managed to greatly reduce the wolves threat If this is true then this is a huge relevation. It pretty much confirms Chaos manipulating everybody. The two sides may have wiped each other out if Magnus had not decided to sabotage his own Legion and sit on the sidelines for most of the battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2576580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted December 5, 2010 Author Share Posted December 5, 2010 More spoilers from Warseer. From what I can gather, despite the books name, the Battle for Prospero is pretty much glossed over. It appears for less than fifty pages and is told entirely from a non-Astartes character's viewpoint. Even the Thousand Sons I'm told barely appear. Early spoilers talk about this book as not really being a companion peice to the Thousand Sons, it's more of Kaspar Hawser's personal tale. However it's excellent, I'm told. And Horus's message to Russ? All skipped over and not mentioned. There are...other reasons why the Wolves are the biggest threat to the Heresy. Here be spoilers. One of the novel's central conceits is that each of the Primarchs, and consequently their legions, was created for a singular purpose. Examples: Horus, to be Warmaster when the Emperor retired to Terra. Rogal Dorn, to guard Terra. Perturabo, to fortify the Imperium. Guilliman to watch the distant reaches. Alpharius to direct intelligence services. And so on. Russ's role? Executioner. In their own opinion, the Vlka Fenryka exist solely and simply to do the things that even other Astartes would balk at. Such as put a rebellion by one of the Emperor's own sons down without a backwards glance. You'll notice that this also opens up a whole new can of worms - each of the Primarchs had their personality and skillset shaped by the world they ended up on. If the Emperor had their roles planned, then he must have also planned their scattering. On Fenris, Kaspar Hawser is saved by tribesmen and one Astartes. He nearly dies, and is rebuilt, over many years, to be a skjald (storyteller) to a company of Wolves. He joins the Wolves in battle against the Oletian Quietude, then accompanies them to Nikaea, where the Wolf King, Constantin Valdor, Raldorion of the Blood Angels and Typhon of the Wolf Guard are very interested in him. As is Amon of the Thousand Sons. Later, the Wolves are ordered to Prospero. There, Hawser discovers who has been manipulating his life, and why. He and a handful of Wolves defeat the foe, while the Wolf King leads the assault on Tizca. When it is done, they return to Fenris. This is interspersed with sequences from Hawser's past showing how he came to a point in his life where going to Fenris seemed like a good idea. These sequences give a fantastic look at early Crusade-era Terra, and were fascinating. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2581385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Amazon.co.uk say they aren't dispatching this until 6th of January. Have Black Library vetoed simultaneous releases from other companies? Where have you got the book from? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2582843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted December 7, 2010 Author Share Posted December 7, 2010 I do not have the book. I am getting these spoilers from a thread on Warseer, from a guy who has gotten an advanced copy. I have already explained this repeatedly in this thread. I have even linked the Warseer thread earlier. I shall do so again for your benefit. http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283697 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2582869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 http://cdn.games-workshop.com/files/vic___bob_handbags.jpg @ gree Anyway, can anyone answer the question why BL are dispatching now yet Amazon are not doing so until January? Added for emphasis - where have you (as in anyone reading the thread) got the book from - as in, where have people ordered the book from? Just like the original question asked. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2582946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted December 7, 2010 Author Share Posted December 7, 2010 http://cdn.games-workshop.com/files/vic___bob_handbags.jpg @ gree If this is some sort of intended insult it has failed. Added for emphasis - where have you (as in anyone reading the thread) got the book from - as in, where have people ordered the book from? Just like the original question asked. I don't know, seeing as how I do not posses the book at all ( As I have stated repeatedly before) and I have no idea or care how others got their copies. And no, you phrased your question in such a way that it seemed to be asking me specifically. You should be more specific next time. My original question in my original post was asking if anyone possesed a copy. Then I started to put out some rumors and spoilers. I did not ask were they got it or how they got it. I was looking for spoilers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2583091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Mechanicum Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Most of the time, people are able to get advance copies due to something like going to an event that the Black Library is actually at. As Gree put down he doesn't have it. A person on Warseer has it. I know they are hitting GW stores the week after xmas so I'm getting mine then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2583625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Tidbit on the tole of Primarchs: 1-One to be heir 2-One to build his defences 3-One to command his armies 4-One to guard the hearth 5-One to watch the distant perimeter 6-One to control the intelligences And Russ, Russ was his Executioner. 1- Horus 2- Dorn 3- Johnson, maybe 4- I have no clue 5- Guilliman 6- Alpharius Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2583707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Small quote from another review “‘The Sixth Legion Astartes has a reputation,’ said Bear. ‘All the Legions Astartes have reputations,’ replied Hawser. ‘Not like ours,’ said Ogvai. ‘We are known for our ferocity. We are thought to be feral and undisciplined. Even our brother Legions consider us to be wild and bestial.’ ‘And you’re not?’ asked Hawser. ‘If we need to be,’ said Ogvai. ‘But if that was our natural state, we’d all be dead by now.’ He leaned down towards Hawser like a parent addressing a child. ‘It takes a vast amount of self control to be this dangerous,’ he said.” Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2583753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 You see regarding number 1 I would put Guilliman. This is using some info from The First Heretic where Kor Phaeron is describing Lorgar and his relationship with the Emperor, he goes on to say how Guilliman and the Emperor are cast from the same mould and if anything should ever happen to the Emperor it would be Guilliman who would take over. 1-One to be heir - Personally for me Guilliman 2-One to build his defences - Dorn or Perturabo 3-One to command his armies - Horus, he was made Warmaster 4-One to guard the hearth - Sanguinius or Dorn 5-One to watch the distant perimeter - Could be Guilliman or one of the lost legions.. 6-One to control the intelligences - Alpha Legion However this is just conjecture and some Primarchs can fit one or two of them and some of the roles can have multiple Primarchs for them.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2583801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piousservant Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 You see regarding number 1 I would put Guilliman. This is using some info from The First Heretic where Kor Phaeron is describing Lorgar and his relationship with the Emperor, he goes on to say how Guilliman and the Emperor are cast from the same mould and if anything should ever happen to the Emperor it would be Guilliman who would take over. 1-One to be heir - Personally for me Guilliman 2-One to build his defences - Dorn or Perturabo 3-One to command his armies - Horus, he was made Warmaster 4-One to guard the hearth - Sanguinius or Dorn 5-One to watch the distant perimeter - Could be Guilliman or one of the lost legions.. 6-One to control the intelligences - Alpha Legion However this is just conjecture and some Primarchs can fit one or two of them and some of the roles can have multiple Primarchs for them.. Don't forget that the above is apparently something explained by a Long Fang in the book, so it's an in-universe idea which means it isn't necessarily true or accurate reflection of the Emperors actual intentions. I would have thought that for a character in universe the heir would clearly be Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2583810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 That is true, Horus was the favoured son and whilst (arguably) the best suited for the role of Warmaster and leading the Emperors armies do you really think he'd have what it takes to run the Imperium? In the latter half of Horus Rising I believe or first part of False Gods (I'm not sure) we get to read about how the Administrative duties that comes with being Warmaster are beginning to get on top of him somewhat. He was a consummate warrior and general yes, capable of running the Imperium? I am not sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215584-prospero-burns/#findComment-2583812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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