Mortemer Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 OK, we all know that the first wave on Istvaan V were the Salamanders, Raven Guard and the veterans of the Iron Hands. As we were told in Fulgrim the remaining Iron Hands were doing some "repairs" and would catch up with Ferrus Manus with the remaining loyalist- traitor forces. Now, it's clear in Fulgrim, FotR and TFH that the remaining "loyalists" butchered the Salamanders, Ravens and Iron Hands's Veterans along with Ferrus but what has happened with the remaining Iron Hands forces? I can't seem to find this info anywhere in the series up till now. Did they get there with the other second wave forces and were mostly annihilated like the other loyalists? Did they get in Istvaan system way after the battle was over and just collected the pieces of their comrades? Were the so late that they just learned of what had happened and went back to Medusa or wherever? Something else entirely? Perhaps this is mentioned in the books and I might have missed it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215640-2nd-wave-of-iron-hands-in-istvaan-v/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 One possible answer can be that the remaining force was annihilated in orbit as the second wave began planetfall or the remaining Iron Hands descended alongside the traitor legions and were butchered on the surface. Or the other possible answer, of that I can think, is that the survivors of the first attacking wave (remains of Iron Hands, Vulcan and Salamanders, wounded Corax and his Raven Guard) who managed to escape from the surface communicated with the remaining Iron Hands, informed them of the treason, met with them in orbit and made their way to Terra (or where did they leave)... However both these answers are my wild guesses, as I haven't read anything anywhere that would provide the 'approved' information on what had really happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215640-2nd-wave-of-iron-hands-in-istvaan-v/#findComment-2569929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICHD? Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Actually, doesn't "Ravens Flight" make reference to, and I quote, "wreckage and hulls of at least 2 dozen ships"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215640-2nd-wave-of-iron-hands-in-istvaan-v/#findComment-2573004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allerka Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Actually, doesn't "Ravens Flight" make reference to, and I quote, "wreckage and hulls of at least 2 dozen ships"? Probably the ships that were already there. The Iron Hands IA states that, after the Dropsite Massacre, the rest of the Legion had a collective vision of Ferrus. I don't remember off-hand specifically what was said, but, since we now know he dies in the fight, that could have been a toned down effect similar to what happened to the Blood Angels after Sanguinius was killed (I originally theorized the weakness-hating aspect was sort of the Iron Hands own version of the Red Thirst, but that got retconned into non-existence). Anyway, after getting this vision, it's likely the rest of the Legion halted their advance and probably debated hotly what to do for some time, so that even if they continued on to Istvaan V, they wouldn't have arrived until after Horus had left. We know for sure from the article that the rest of the Legion wasn't involved in the fighting at all, as basically the entire senior leadership had been killed off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215640-2nd-wave-of-iron-hands-in-istvaan-v/#findComment-2573034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglefists13 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 A thought just ocurred to me. In the fluff from Sabretooth it states that when the Khan leaves Russ to battle the Alphas alone against his will(ordered by Dorn) that they receive help from an unexpected quarter so maybe they surface up later as who else could this refer to?? There is a big grey area as to what happened to the rest of the legion as only the First company is mentioned as being present? at the battle of Istvaan. That would leave a quite sizeable force roaming around somewhere, as we know that the Fists made it back it cant be them as that would mean that the wolves would of already got there. The only other possibility is that some parts of the remaining baddies help out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215640-2nd-wave-of-iron-hands-in-istvaan-v/#findComment-2632004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Its been established at least as far back as the Iron Hands IA that only the veterans died at Istvaan. The rest must have survived, because they went on to fight the Iron Warriors at the Battle of Tallarn -- the largest recorded tank battle in the history of the Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215640-2nd-wave-of-iron-hands-in-istvaan-v/#findComment-2632263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 In the fluff from Sabretooth it states that when the Khan leaves Russ to battle the Alphas alone against his will(ordered by Dorn) that they receive help from an unexpected quarter so maybe they surface up later as who else could this refer to?? Eldar, back in RT (or rather the original Codex Titanicus supplement for EPIC) stated Imperial forces at Yarant were aided by the Eldar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215640-2nd-wave-of-iron-hands-in-istvaan-v/#findComment-2632344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglefists13 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 In the fluff from Sabretooth it states that when the Khan leaves Russ to battle the Alphas alone against his will(ordered by Dorn) that they receive help from an unexpected quarter so maybe they surface up later as who else could this refer to?? Eldar, back in RT (or rather the original Codex Titanicus supplement for EPIC) stated Imperial forces at Yarant were aided by the Eldar. Sorry Vodunius, I have no idea what you mean! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215640-2nd-wave-of-iron-hands-in-istvaan-v/#findComment-2639133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I think that it was just a case of they just never got there. Like most have said it was just the veteran Morlocks that got wiped out alongside their Primarch and it's never really been expanded on beyond that. I think originally they were pretty much wiped out alongside the Salamanders and Raven Guard with something like six marines surviving between them in total. I think it was then rewritten to what we know it as now so that it was just the veterans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215640-2nd-wave-of-iron-hands-in-istvaan-v/#findComment-2639200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Actually, doesn't "Ravens Flight" make reference to, and I quote, "wreckage and hulls of at least 2 dozen ships"? Probably the ships that were already there. (I originally theorized the weakness-hating aspect was sort of the Iron Hands own version of the Red Thirst, but that got retconned into non-existence). Alllerka, the Iron Hands themselves have pretty much been retconned out of the 40k universe. Them and the White Scars have been nearly forgotten. However there is a White Scars book coming out. It's safe to say at this point, The Iron Hands are pretty nonexistent at this point in terms of GW staff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215640-2nd-wave-of-iron-hands-in-istvaan-v/#findComment-2639368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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