Quick questions regarding Iron Hands.

[The Shiny One]

I need some help concerning Iron Hands and Fluff in general for my new developped version of my diy chapter.

 

A.) is it possible that Iron Hands would train a new chapter?

B.) how many members has a Standard chapter liberium? How many The Iron Hands?

C.) could a liberian become chapter master for a new founded chapter?

D.) would an ad mech force attack a chapter? Together with Grey Knights for example.

 

Thank you for your help!

[Grand Master Tyrak]

A.) is it possible that Iron Hands would train a new chapter?

 

I don't see why not. It might be easier to be trained by an Iron Hands successor though, if only for that little extra bit of believability.

 

B.) how many members has a Standard chapter liberium? How many The Iron Hands?

 

I don't think there's ever been a set number for any Chapter. I guess that means "as many as are needed".

 

C.) could a liberian become chapter master for a new founded chapter?

 

I suspect it would be frowned upon (separation of powers etc.), but if circumstances demanded it then I don't see why not. The Blood Ravens IA gives a good method - the senior officers get killed in battle and so the Chief Librarian is left as the best choice by far to step in. I think any senior specialist (Librarian, Chaplain, Apothecary) would be capable of taking command in an emergency, but I also think that they would defer to any suitable candidate with the 'right' experience of not just fighting but leading too.

 

D.) would an ad mech force attack a chapter? Together with Grey Knights for example.

 

On their own it's unlikely. They don't have judicial powers and so it would only really happen if the Chapter was clearly breaking Imperial law and there was no-one else to stop them. It would still be a bit of a gamble though - they could get censured for it, or they could be owed considerable favours by various members of the Inquisition, planetary governors who were being threatened and/or other Chapters.

 

With another force? Well again it's not much more likely. The AdMech are insular and so aren't really the first choice for requests for aid. If they were in the area and the Grey Knights (using your example) needed more troops to fulfil their objectives then I think the AdMech would do it. Even if they weren't sure about the decision they would still be owed a favour by various members of the Inquisition, and favours are the currency of power in the Imperium.

 

In short, the answer is yes. However you will have to come up with good circumstances to make it plausible. I don't think that would be that hard though.

[The Shiny One]

Thank your very much.

 

In regard to c.) but is there any chance that The high Lords of Terra will choice a liberian to be the first chapter Master of a new founded chapter?

And a.) i ask because i would like to use the Iron Hands chapter organisation and/or relationship to the ad mech for the new chapter too. And it seems that the officiall successors Not have this perks or quirks.

[Ace Debonair]

Thank your very much.

 

In regard to c.) but is there any chance that The high Lords of Terra will choice a liberian to be the first chapter Master of a new founded chapter?

It's not terribly likely. He could still be a prominent and heroic figure that many marines in the chapter look up to, though.

 

And a.) i ask because i would like to use the Iron Hands chapter organisation and/or relationship to the ad mech for the new chapter too. And it seems that the officiall successors Not have this perks or quirks.

It's not too hard to write up a good relationship with the AdMech. If you help rescue a forgeworld or explorator fleet that is under attack, your local AdMech branch would probably be happy to repay the favour with some top-of-the-range gear.

[Heru]

D.) would an ad mech force attack a chapter? Together with Grey Knights for example.

 

On their own it's unlikely.

I disagree, it really depends on the Ad Mech's reasoning and the Chapter in question. A Chapter with few friends who gets their hands on a STC template and doesn't give it to the Ad Mech, risks a getting isolated and wiped out for it (when no-one is looking).

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Thank your very much.

 

In regard to c.) but is there any chance that The high Lords of Terra will choice a liberian to be the first chapter Master of a new founded chapter?

And a.) i ask because i would like to use the Iron Hands chapter organisation and/or relationship to the ad mech for the new chapter too. And it seems that the officiall successors Not have this perks or quirks.

 

Well, when discussing the Sons of Medusa, IA9 specifically mentions a Clan Company by name (Atropos, if my memory serves) -- the same organizational structure of the Iron Hands. The implication there being that the Sons continue to utilize the structure of their parent chapter. Since neither the Red Talons or Brazen Claws have ever been recorded as anything other than Codex in their organization, I think it's fair to say that the Sons of Medusa drew their training cadre straight from the Hands and adopted their way of doing things.

[Grand Master Tyrak]

D.) would an ad mech force attack a chapter? Together with Grey Knights for example.

On their own it's unlikely.

I disagree, it really depends on the Ad Mech's reasoning and the Chapter in question. A Chapter with few friends who gets their hands on a STC template and doesn't give it to the Ad Mech, risks a getting isolated and wiped out for it (when no-one is looking).

 

Your reasoning is sound, but I can't think of any circumstances when a Chapter would not be missed. They are valuable to the Imperium and there aren't that many of them. It would have to be done quietly (since the Mechanicus doesn't have the authority to go round wiping out Chapters), and I can't see how that could be done. Someone would be keeping an eye on the Chapter.

 

Of course if you can think of a way round that, I'll go with your reasoning.

[vash1023]

from the soul drinkers novel series.

 

 

the second chapter master (in the books) of the soul drinkers is there most powerful librarian sarpedon*

[Octavulg]

A.) is it possible that Iron Hands would train a new chapter?

 

Yes.

 

B.) how many members has a Standard chapter liberium? How many The Iron Hands?

 

Probably about thirty (the UM in C:SM 3e had 27), and unknown.

 

C.) could a liberian become chapter master for a new founded chapter?

 

Not without truly dire circumstances. The simple fact is that Librarians are often slightly mistrusted, and are more vulnerable to Chaos corruption and having their brains eaten by warp demons. The time they must commit to honing their psychic skills would leave them with proportionally little time to lead a Chapter, and so I would expect a Librarian Chapter Master only if things were going really, really badly and he was the only practical choice.

 

And even then, I usually find it rather gimmicky.

 

He certainly wouldn't be the Chapter's first master. Allerka did it, but it comes across as a little contrived even there.

 

D.) would an ad mech force attack a chapter? Together with Grey Knights for example.

 

They can and would in the right circumstances.

[Allerka]

A.) is it possible that Iron Hands would train a new chapter?

As explained above, yes, though they might not be as forthcoming about providing the resources as some of their other Successors.

 

 

B.) how many members has a Standard chapter liberium? How many The Iron Hands?

The two current examples we have are the Ultramarines (28 including Tigurius in the current C:SM), and the Blood Angels (32 including Mephiston, 37 if you count the Furioso Librarians). So around 30-ish seems to be the norm.

 

 

C.) could a liberian become chapter master for a new founded chapter?

Typically no, it's not a very common occurrence, but it's not completely outside the realm of possibility. The Blood Ravens and pre-Heresy Thousand Sons are the only official examples I'm aware of, though, where Librarians hold senior officer positions. In terms of the first Chapter Master, it'd likely only be out of necessity, or if the parent Chapter is psyker-heavy anyway.

 

 

D.) would an ad mech force attack a chapter? Together with Grey Knights for example.

Again, only under certain circumstances. If the Grey Knights were involved, then the Chapter probably has some issues with Chaos going on, or they've turned Renegade, in which case the AdMech might be inclined to help (especially if it means they have a chance at getting their hands on some special relic of the Chapter's).

 

 

Allerka did it, but it comes across as a little contrived even there.

Meh. :)

[The Shiny One]

Thank u both Octavulg and Allerka too. I was suspecting it quit like this, but wasn't sure. Now that i am i will try and work it in my chapters IA.