Dire Wolf Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 So, as we all know, Marines (and Imperials in general) despise all things alien. But is there a limit. Say, if during a boarding action of an alien (let's say Eldar, for example) capital ship, the marines' battle barge (or what have you, battle barge is unlikely in this scenario I guess) is permanently crippled or even destroyed. If the Marine's prevailed over the enemy, what would they do? Would they keep the ship, or blow themselves out the airlock to avoid the xeno taint? And if they kept it, even for a short time, what would the repurcussions be? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 My marines tool around the galaxy in a capture Eldar Craftworld that they have converted to a space fortress. So, I dunno, should I be in trouble? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2571462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubernator Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 My marines tool around the galaxy in a capture Eldar Craftworld that they have converted to a space fortress. So, I dunno, should I be in trouble? yes BIG trouble :lol: @ OP: I would suspect they'd try and hold out against the Eldar as long as they can before possibly considering destroying the ship. There's a mention of almost such a scenario in the new DE dex where they snag a sallies cruiser and hang onto it... then the rest of the sallies and some other chapters bust in and take it back ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2571474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c162/ecritter/Space%20Marines/Heresy.png That's all I have to say on the subject. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2571475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 My marines tool around the galaxy in a capture Eldar Craftworld that they have converted to a space fortress. So, I dunno, should I be in trouble? Well putting aside the fact of how your chapter managed to get a Craftworld in the first place. (Craftworlds going by Battlefleet Gothic being moon-sized cities usually with billions of Eldar at the least along with entire fleets. The last time the Imperium tried to take out a Craftworld they lost an entire sector fleet. They decided to ignore Craftworlds from then on. Really, the only time a Marine chapter succeded against a craftworld was when the Invaders attacked a Craftworld that was already depopulated by Hive Fleet Naga and even then they only did so with horrific losses) the Mechancius would go ape**** over the prospect of an intact Eldar craftworld. Not to mention the Eldar would focus on killing your to prevent that kind of technology in human hands. The Invaders suffered that same fate from a single Craftworld because they destroyed one. I can only imagine what kind of forces will be brought to bear if even a small Craftworld was captured. Seriously, you wrote your Marines with a captured Craftworld as a Fortress Monastary? ............. Go to Warseer, post your chapter in the fluff section. I want to see the Eldar fluff-nuts bananas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2571478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine_Breaker Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 I'm pretty sure Eldar ships (and many other Xenos ships and equipment for that matter) aren't all gears and clockwork like Imperial-made stuff. I doubt humans would have the capacity to use much Eldar/Xenos tech. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2571480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StGene Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 @ Dire Wolf: I imagine that the marines would keep it and (attempt) to fly back into Imperial space. Once there, they would turn it over to the Ordo Xenos and submit themselves for RIGOROUS purity checks and penitence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2571505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 My marines tool around the galaxy in a capture Eldar Craftworld that they have converted to a space fortress. So, I dunno, should I be in trouble? Well putting aside the fact of how your chapter managed to get a Craftworld in the first place. (Craftworlds going by Battlefleet Gothic being moon-sized cities usually with billions of Eldar at the least along with entire fleets. The last time the Imperium tried to take out a Craftworld they lost an entire sector fleet. They decided to ignore Craftworlds from then on. Really, the only time a Marine chapter succeded against a craftworld was when the Invaders attacked a Craftworld that was already depopulated by Hive Fleet Naga and even then they only did so with horrific losses) the Mechancius would go ape**** over the prospect of an intact Eldar craftworld. Not to mention the Eldar would focus on killing your to prevent that kind of technology in human hands. The Invaders suffered that same fate from a single Craftworld because they destroyed one. I can only imagine what kind of forces will be brought to bear if even a small Craftworld was captured. Seriously, you wrote your Marines with a captured Craftworld as a Fortress Monastary? ............. Go to Warseer, post your chapter in the fluff section. I want to see the Eldar fluff-nuts bananas. Shinzaren gets exception for it. You should go see his thread (Sons of Lightning IA in his sig). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2571514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 My marines tool around the galaxy in a capture Eldar Craftworld that they have converted to a space fortress. So, I dunno, should I be in trouble? Well putting aside the fact of how your chapter managed to get a Craftworld in the first place. (Craftworlds going by Battlefleet Gothic being moon-sized cities usually with billions of Eldar at the least along with entire fleets. The last time the Imperium tried to take out a Craftworld they lost an entire sector fleet. They decided to ignore Craftworlds from then on. Really, the only time a Marine chapter succeded against a craftworld was when the Invaders attacked a Craftworld that was already depopulated by Hive Fleet Naga and even then they only did so with horrific losses) the Mechancius would go ape**** over the prospect of an intact Eldar craftworld. Not to mention the Eldar would focus on killing your to prevent that kind of technology in human hands. The Invaders suffered that same fate from a single Craftworld because they destroyed one. I can only imagine what kind of forces will be brought to bear if even a small Craftworld was captured. Seriously, you wrote your Marines with a captured Craftworld as a Fortress Monastary? ............. Go to Warseer, post your chapter in the fluff section. I want to see the Eldar fluff-nuts bananas. Shinzaren gets exception for it. You should go see his thread (Sons of Lightning IA in his sig). I've skimmed through it,, I'll have a more in-depth read later. Regardless I would seriously like to see that IA posted on Warseer. The Eldar players will go nuts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2571520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire Wolf Posted November 25, 2010 Author Share Posted November 25, 2010 My marines tool around the galaxy in a capture Eldar Craftworld that they have converted to a space fortress. So, I dunno, should I be in trouble? Wow, a whole craftworld? And (I part-read your IA) they only lost 700 marines? And the inquisition were all like, "oki doki, have fun with your new pimp-planet-mobile"? Hmmmm... I don't know, it's cool and all, but... I'm pretty sure Eldar ships (and many other Xenos ships and equipment for that matter) aren't all gears and clockwork like Imperial-made stuff. I doubt humans would have the capacity to use much Eldar/Xenos tech. Yeah, that's why I was thinking maybe Dark Eldar, or Tau, since both actually use physical technology rather than magic (like the normal Eldar, or I suppose, Orks). @ Dire Wolf: I imagine that the marines would keep it and (attempt) to fly back into Imperial space. Once there, they would turn it over to the Ordo Xenos and submit themselves for RIGOROUS purity checks and penitence. This seems like the most likely outcome, though I'm sure reasons could be come up with why they would keep it permanently... perhaps they are attacked upon entering Imperial space, and after defending themselves, are declared traitors, leaving them with the ship as their only form of transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2571536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 They live on the Craftworld rather than using it, or at least they did the last time I read his IA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2571539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire Wolf Posted November 25, 2010 Author Share Posted November 25, 2010 They live on the Craftworld rather than using it, or at least they did the last time I read his IA. I'll read it in more detail later, but I'm sure I saw mentions of the Craftworld entering systems and the Chapter patrolling the sector, though maybe he means that's it just drifting aimlessly through the sector. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2571543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I think he means drifting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2571553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Well, I certainly appreciate all the press and publicity, good or bad :lol: To answer some questions, the marines perished is roughly 800, and the Craftworld has Imperial thrusters crudely mounted on it. It can't jump or be guided to any real degree, but it allows them to control the drift just enough to avoid stuff like planets, stars, and other cosmic phenomenon. They can't use it, or control it, as wraithbone is psychically attuned and controlled, and they don't posses that capability. Instead they train on it, and they treat it like a hostile planet. Can't be controlled, but it can be tolerated. Wow, a whole craftworld? And (I part-read your IA) they only lost 700 marines? And the inquisition were all like, "oki doki, have fun with your new pimp-planet-mobile"? Hmmmm... Yeah, upped it to 800. Secondly, the Craftworld is the reason they have such good ties with the AdMech and the Inquisition. Inquisitors lead expeditions into the Craftworld, which the Sons conveniently maintain for them. Same for the AdMech. In return, these Inquisitors help shield them from repercussions that other Inquisitors might cause. They trade access to their prize in exchange for friends and favors :) Again, though this is only barely on topic, I do heartily appreciate all the plugs, and I am glad it's worthy of discussion, if nothing else :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2571697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaplainMathreyn Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 I believe that, Much of the Eldar euipment is actually "shaped" and sort of "grown" by craftsmen... So... Unless your Space Marines have the ability to sing to wraithbone, etc. it's not going to get them far... And yes, my first reaction was, ";)!? Shinzaren!? A craftworld!?"... But, upon explanation... It might be plausible... Nice job. Although, I've always "growned up" believeing Space Marines are Always very "pro-Human", and Very "Anti-Xenos"... Filthy aliens trying to steal Humanity's place within this galaxy, it is either Us or Them!... So, admitedly, my view is abit askewed... Now, a Chapter that accidentally biomorphed with Tyranids... Now THAT'D be crazy... O.o ... Just so crazy... It might work... >.> ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2572457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 I want him to have his marines based on the craftworld because I love the idea of it basically hating them and trying to eat them all the time. But that's me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2572458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 I want him to have his marines based on the craftworld because I love the idea of it basically hating them and trying to eat them all the time. But that's me. Which I think was accomplished. The Craftworld is always reshaping the wraithbone trying to mess with/harm them, and the Sons can feel the combined psychic presence just pushing down on them all the time. Hatred, burning hatred. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2572462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Hey, I haven't read it lately. Look, I have exams. YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2572472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Everyone is the boss of you Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2572473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 No one is the boss of you Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2572474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Slightly on and off topic. A marine is fighting a tau in melee, kills him, sees 100 kroot running towards him, his bolter is out of ammo, he sees the tau rifle lying on the ground. What does he do? Replace Tau with Ork, Chaos, Dark Eldar etc and rifle with the appropriate weapon if needs be. Does he simply let himself die because he cannot bring himself to use alien/heretic weaponry? Or does he kill as many as he can with it and, should he survive, pray for redemption later? I remember Lucius in the HH books being constantly harangued by Tarvitz for using a megarachnid leg as a sword with gay abandon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2572581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Slightly on and off topic. A marine is fighting a tau in melee, kills him, sees 100 kroot running towards him, his bolter is out of ammo, he sees the tau rifle lying on the ground. What does he do? He beats them to death with his bolter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2572848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateJake Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Slightly on and off topic. A marine is fighting a tau in melee, kills him, sees 100 kroot running towards him, his bolter is out of ammo, he sees the tau rifle lying on the ground. What does he do? He beats them to death with his bolter. Or changes to his bolt pistol or combat blade. Could also use krak or frag grenades. Or just use his super-human strength. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2572850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Slightly on and off topic. A marine is fighting a tau in melee, kills him, sees 100 kroot running towards him, his bolter is out of ammo, he sees the tau rifle lying on the ground. What does he do? Laugh at them maniacally, because they are falling into his master-piece trap. :devil: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2572969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Of Malfeasance X Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 The short answer is: They get back to their chapter first. The Chapter master can decide whether the marine who claimed the ship need purity checks or whether they need to be turned over to the Inquisition. Most chapter masters, I think, would deal with the problem internally, slapping purity seals on the armor of the survivors, blowing up the alien ship from orbit and calling it a day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215766-marines-and-alien-tech/#findComment-2573430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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