Starting again

[DEL 707]

After a 2 year break, I'm trying to pick up from where I left off.

 

My last model was this guy

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/SM2finished1.jpg

 

Unfortunately I can't really remember how the hell I painted him or what guides I used.

What I do remember is that he took me an extremely long time, I started with a white base coat, then applied red gore, then a few layers of blood red.

 

I have 1 last model, which was already base coated white, this time around i want to sped things up and do them in the right order.

I saw a youtube guide, where the guy applied red gore (or a similar dark red, can't remember) all over the model, throwing a load on, not thining it down, but spreading it about. So I tried the same

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model31.jpg

 

Not much to look at right now I know, but here are my questions.

 

What should be my next step, applying layers of blood red to the appropiate areas and doing the other colours, or should I apply blood red to the whole model?

 

Silly question, when should I start watering down my paint, on my last model I did it every step of the way. I was quite suprised to see a guide where someone just threw paint onto the model straight out of the pot.

 

Because this is my only marine and I've lost his gun and back, I'm only using him to get into the swing of things. I was thinking of buying a tactical squad and treating myself to some washes, would it be wise for a newbie like myself to invest in some? On the last model I used watered down paint with a bit of washing up liquid.

If I do buy some washes, can you recommend which 1's I should get to start with.

 

That's all I can think of at the moment. I greatly appreciate any help

[Durus]

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Unfortunately I can't really remember how the hell I painted him or what guides I used.

What I do remember is that he took me an extremely long time, I started with a white base coat, then applied red gore, then a few layers of blood red.

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In the thread you linked you said you highlighted the marine only with blazing orange because you thought fiery orange would be too extreme. You could try to find the old GW painting guide via the waybackmachine

 

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I have 1 last model, which was already base coated white, this time around i want to sped things up and do them in the right order.

I saw a youtube guide, where the guy applied red gore (or a similar dark red, can't remember) all over the model, throwing a load on, not thining it down, but spreading it about. So I tried the same

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Silly question, when should I start watering down my paint, on my last model I did it every step of the way. I was quite suprised to see a guide where someone just threw paint onto the model straight out of the pot.

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Applying several watered down coats instead of one thick one will keep the paint smooth. If you use it straight out of the pot the paint coat might look streaky or clog the smaller details of the surface. Though some people like to thin their paint int the paintpot already...maybe that's what he did. The Vallejo colours are in general a bit more fluid than the Citadel paints, i.e. how much you water your paints down depends on the paint's consistency. You'll might have noticed (if you still have the old paint pots at least) that some of your paints are a bit thicker than they were two years ago.

 

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What should be my next step, applying layers of blood red to the appropiate areas and doing the other colours, or should I apply blood red to the whole model?

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That depends entirely on what you want to do. Did you use the red gore as base to get the blood red coat even or do you want to let the red gore show through, leaving it in the dark recesses, as first shade or blacklining? My advice would be that you take a look at several other painters work to get an idea of how one could paint red. You can search the forums here for Blood Angels or just google for "painting red" tutorials in general. You'll probably find some methods that you'll prefer to others. If you used to paint along to the GW painting guide you could also take a look at the newer one or any other painting guide that mentions red somehow.

 

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I was thinking of buying a tactical squad and treating myself to some washes, would it be wise for a newbie like myself to invest in some? On the last model I used watered down paint with a bit of washing up liquid.

If I do buy some washes, can you recommend which 1's I should get to start with.

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"Normal" washes (thinned down paint) and the GW washes are two different things. I've used the GW washes for my orks/orcs and they really are a bit of a time saver. If you look for other WIP threads or go throught the tutorials section on here you'll probably see several people using baal red, devlan mud or badab black washes for different things on their BAs.

As I said, take a look at other people's work and you'll probably see a few things you like or don't, that you will want to incorporate into your own process or that you'll decide is unnecessary. If you like the results that people got when they've been using washes you should probably try them out yourself.

 

But from what I can see in the old pictures you posted you have a lot more brush control than most beginners, so I'd say you are off to a good start there. :)

[DEL 707]

I havn't ordered any washes yet, I've decided to carry on with this model with the equiptment that I have on hand to see how I do.

 

So I've shaded the model, the long ass way, I did watch a video of someone doing a full body wash

and I gotta say, it looks 10 times quick and better then what I'm currently doing. On the plus side though, it was good practice.

 

Here he is so far, I hope I've added some depth to the model now.

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model32.jpg

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model33.jpg

 

I know I've messed up some areas, particularly the back right leg and areas of the helmet. I plan on giving the model another coat of blood red and trying to tidy up those areas.

[Captain Mick]

Looks good, cant wait to see more ;) .

[Lord Tharand]

I havn't ordered any washes yet, I've decided to carry on with this model with the equiptment that I have on hand to see how I do.

 

So I've shaded the model, the long ass way, I did watch a video of someone doing a full body wash

and I gotta say, it looks 10 times quick and better then what I'm currently doing. On the plus side though, it was good practice.

 

Here he is so far, I hope I've added some depth to the model now.

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model32.jpg

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model33.jpg

 

I know I've messed up some areas, particularly the back right leg and areas of the helmet. I plan on giving the model another coat of blood red and trying to tidy up those areas.

 

I think they've done a nice job here. Red is a color that is really hard to get right. To answer some of your questions. I think washes are great to use but in my opinion shouldn't be used exclusively. They'll produce a nice effect but you should also do shading like you've done in the above model and then wash it. Also, I thin down every layer of paint.

 

You could start with basing the model in Mechrite Red and build up from there. White Dwarf #363 recommends the following formula for Blood Angels:

 

Mechrite Red

Blood Red

Wash Devlan Mud directly into the recesses of the armour

Highlight raised areas with pure Blazing Orange

Edge Highlights using Vomit Brown

Thin wash of Baal Red directly onto the armour plates

 

Hope that helps a bit.

[DEL 707]

Little update, started trying some of the highlights, but I'm tireed and my eyes started to go

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model34.jpg

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model35.jpg

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model36.jpg

 

Bodged quite a few areas, but I'm carrying regardless.

 

Opinions and any helpful advice welcome as always

[Shortsonfire79]

Looks good to me. I like the yellow eagle. :)

Next time, I would recommend basing before you paint, so you don't get any brown paint on your red marine. ( Or break the guy off, base, paint, and the glue it back on) I learned the hard way -_-

[Captain Mick]

Looks very good, cant wait to see a update :) .

[DEL 707]

Well after another break, I'm here to have another crack at this.

 

I've still not thinned out all my paints, pretty solid after not being used for a few years, but so far, I've put together a model, undercoated, base coated, washed and given it another base coat to clean it up.

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model190813.jpg

 

My next step is giving it a coat of blood red.

This was actually my 1st time using a wash, on that other model, I painted in the recesses, got to say I prefer the wash for effect and just pure speed.

Now regarding the wash, when I put on the 2nd coat of red gore, I was careful to keep out of the recessed areas, was this needed, or could I have gone crazy and just splashed the whole model.

I ask this to know how careful I need to be when applying the next coat, take my time, avoiding recesses or just go crazy?

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

My first army was Blood Angels, and I also had the beginnings of a Saim Hann eldar army, as well as a crapload of Khador for Warmachine. I've done my time in the trenches with painting red and after using an airbrush to do a test paint job on an eldar jetbike, I will never go back to doing a basecoat with a brush. If you have the means to use an airbrush, I highly suggest it.

 

If not, good luck, brother. For me, painting all that red by doing a ton of thin coats of Scab Red , Red Gore, and then Blood Red eventually became something akin to punching myself in the face.

[DEL 707]

Tempting, but buying an airbrush right now would be akin to buying golf clubs because I enjoyed a round of crazy golf.

[DEL 707]

Did the 1st coat of blood red tonight.

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model2108131.jpg

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model2108132.jpg

 

My question still stands, what is the best way to plaint the model after a wash (baring an airbrush)? I'm a slow painter and this crappy coat took me over a hour and a 1/2, trying to avoid painting in the reccesses, which I failed at, at some points.

[Oojamaflip]

Why not try avoiding washing the entire mini? Just apply the wash to the recesses and this will help to cut down on any clean up afterwards. Just like Lester does in his vids, giving the model a gloss varnish first will help the wash run into the recesses easier. Then a matte varnish once it's dry. But the varnishing isn't essential, it just makes the wash flow a little easier.

 

OK, so it's still not the quickest method, but it IS a lot easier and quicker than basecoat -> Wash -> second basecoat

[DEL 707]

I've tried to follow that video, but I'm starting to wonder if I'm thinning my paints too much, always worrying about losing model detail.

[DEL 707]

Small update.

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model2808131.jpg

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model2808132.jpg

 

Need to work on the purity seal and the targetting thing on the head, hopefully then I can get onto highlighting.

Not very happy with the black areas between the armour, I might see if I can highlight the ridges with a light grey.

 

But still not started on his boltgun :o

[DEL 707]

Well this is the finished model, not doing anymore work on him, onto the next project.

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model0109131.jpg

 

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/DarrenEa/Model%20Painting/Model0109132.jpg

 

Was thinking about varnishing him for protection, but not sure what to use or how to do it.

[deathspectersgt7]

Looks sweet! Use a matte-sealer from any hobby shop ,GW has one 

[ephrael]

Your finished marine looks pretty good for being away from the hobby for so long.  You might be interested to know that GW is releasing the colored paints in spray cans again later this month.  That would probably help with the base coat red.  I would definitely recommend that you not buy their matt sealer though.  There are so many good inexpensive brands out there to choose from.  i have had great success with Krylon brand Matte sealer in the past before I bought an airbrush and switched to Vallejo air paints.