SecretStamos Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 I just ordered some new paint recently. I have an army of Dark Angels marines, and although I love their character and story, I felt they were a little too.. "mainsteam" of a chapter. Although I am still hesitant about repainting my army, I decided to brainstorm a few ideas for chapters. An vague idea came from the back of my mind, spurred by a wikipedia article I read months ago about a old christian knight order named, "The Order of Saint Lazarus". http://www.st-lazarus.org.uk/Userfiles/Knight_1200.jpg Apparently, they were an organization of crusader knights that had leprosy, a disorder that causes numbness throughout the body, particularly in arms of legs. Despite the obvious negative side effects leprosy, many knights were able to fight after being horrifically wounded because of the lack of pain nerves in their skin where the disease had spread. I figured this would make a great inspiration for a chapter that has a gene seed mutation. Here's the color scheme I came up with: Trooper Sergeant Captain What do you guys think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Does that mean you're giving your marines leprosy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2573925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretStamos Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 Yeah, pretty much. It's more of a gene-seed flaw than actual leprosy, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2573927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL-9001 Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 My understanding is that that's one reason that Death Guard (and Plague Marines in general) are so fearsome. Nurgle's Rot has left them without the ability to feel pain, so they just keep on slogging forward. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2573940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretStamos Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 Let's hope I can learn how to strip paint! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2573963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Akmenos Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 This sounds like a cool idea. Could set it up so that the more puritanical chapters (like Black Templars) flat-out refuse to fight along side them, because taking three bolt-shells to the chest and just laughing is crazy, even for an Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Wow, just wow. I'm stunned by this idea. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretStamos Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 That sounds like a great idea. I could use their genetic impurity to explain all the games I play against other imperial forces. Â Chapter Bio The Order of St. Lazarus They derived from the Dark Angels chapter in M36 during the 21st founding, aka "The Cursed Founding". The chapter was originally named, "The Order", based off the ancient organization Lion El Johnson commanded to fight off the wild beasts on the death world of Caliban. In M37, under direct command of the Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels and Master Bekenel of the Deathwing, the chapter entered the warp in search of four members on the Fallen. Over the next 100 years, the Order searched through the warp for the Fallen, before finally locating and killing them. On the trip back out of the warp, the chapter fleet was immobilized and heavily damaged. The defenses of the ship fell, and many marines fell victim to attacks from daemons. Apothecary Lazarus, a former member of the Dark Angels and Lead Apothecary of the Order began to notice a change in the chapter's gene seed. He studied the mutation noticing impaired movement and numbness in his brother marines. Over time, the mutation would spread throughout the entire body of a marine, leading to complete paralysis, causing the marine to perish. Lazarus was able to stop the horrendous mutation from paralyzing any more marines, saving the legion, but not before he himself succumbed to paralysis. Although the mutation was unable to be removed from the previously "pure" genetic code of "The Order", the effects were no longer deadly. The current marines still fight with many of the side effects of the mutation, but because of the numbness in their limbs, they are able to withstand terrible amounts of punishment, and still continue to serve the legion. Their increased survivability allows the chapter to survive bitter assaults, in which the wounded are less prone to death and can live to fight another day. The new Order, now known as, "The Order of Saint Lazarus" still remains at the frontlines in M41, still fighting to preserve the Imperium and to punish the Fallen. Some reports have also mentioned a mysterious white Venerable Dreadnought fighting at the forefront of some desperate battles between the Order and the enemies of mankind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 The chapter was originally named, "The Order"... Why only Order? It is somewhat un-inspiring. Â In M37, under direct command of the Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels and Master Bekenel of the Deathwing, the chapter entered the warp in search of four members on the Fallen. Over the next 100 years, the Order searched through the warp for the Fallen, before finally locating and killing them. Why are the SGM and master Benekel with them and not with their own Chapter? How could they search for Fallen in Warp? and How could the Fallen survive in the Warp? Â On the trip back out of the warp, the chapter fleet was immobilized and heavily damaged. The defenses of the ship fell, and many marines fell victim to attacks from daemons. Anything but Warp ex Machina. Please. :) Â Apothecary Lazarus, a former member of the Dark Angels and Lead Apothecary of the Order began to notice a change in the chapter's gene seed. He studied the mutation noticing impaired movement and numbness in his brother marines. Over time, the mutation would spread throughout the entire body of a marine, leading to complete paralysis, causing the marine to perish. I don't follow, it looks to me more like warp-based disease, than gene-seed mutation. Â The new Order, now known as, "The Order of Saint Lazarus" still remains at the frontlines in M41, Why saint? To be honest, I don't think the "The Order of Saint Lazarus" is good name for Space marine Chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretStamos Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 1. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Order 2. To clarify: They were ordered to chase the Fallen by the Dark Angels Chapter Master. He didn't accompany them. 3. I agree, warp trouble is a bit overused. 4. Not sure what I want to write it as. I'm leaning towards a warp-induced gene-seed corruption. 5. Lazarus earned the title of "Saint" after he saved the chapter from impending destruction. To be honest, I couldn't think of any original names. Â Thanks for helping me. Are there any other things that need correcting? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 How could they search for Fallen in Warp? and How could the Fallen survive in the Warp? Â They could survive for a short time in the Warp ... and Chaos marines live in the warp, that is where they fled after the heresy. Â To be honest, I don't think the "The Order of Saint Lazarus" is good name for Space marine Chapter. Â Me either, how about Sons of Lazarus? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretStamos Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 Me either, how about Sons of Lazarus? I like where you are going with that. What about, "The Knights of Lazarus"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 "The Order..." is something associated with the Sisters of Battle - which is a weird name in itself when you think about it. Â As for the mutation... You could suggest them to be a Cursed Founding Chapter - Twenty-First - and this is a result of the genetic tampering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Me either, how about Sons of Lazarus? I like where you are going with that. What about, "The Knights of Lazarus"? Â That works too. Knights of, Sons of, Disciples of, etc .... just about anything works. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 How could they search for Fallen in Warp? and How could the Fallen survive in the Warp? Â They could survive for a short time in the Warp ... and Chaos marines live in the warp, that is where they fled after the heresy. Chaos marines dwell in the Eye of Terror, that's different. Â Me either, how about Sons of Lazarus? I like where you are going with that. What about, "The Knights of Lazarus"? "knight" is over(ab)used name for marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 The region of the Eye constitutes its own reality, existing within both the material universe and the warp. Although planets and star systems exist within the Eye, the laws of reality no longer apply. Time is a meaningless concept, and matter, thought and energy are indistinct. Â The worlds within the Eye are known as Daemon Worlds and each constitutes its own bizarre sub-reality. At the very centre of the Eye lies the byssos, a hole in the fabric of reality through which raw Chaos energy pours out. Â I'm pretty sure when most say Warp, that's what they mean. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretStamos Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 I'm going to revise the story later: Dark Angels form the Knights of the Lion Chapter in M36 253 during the cursed 21st founding. Their gene-seed was seemingly "pure" until M36 521, when Lead Apothecary Lazarus noticed a mutation in the gene-seed that would cause paralysis, and later death. He was able to reverse the effects, making it non-lethal to future marines, but he himself succumbed to the paralysis shortly after he fixed the gene-seed, becoming a chapter martyr and hero. In honor of this, the Chapter was renamed "The Knights of Lazarus" in dedication to his service and sacrifice. Forces fighting alongside the chapter have also noticed a mysterious white Venerable Dreadnought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 The region of the Eye constitutes its own reality, existing within both the material universe and the warp. Although planets and star systems exist within the Eye, the laws of reality no longer apply. Time is a meaningless concept, and matter, thought and energy are indistinct. Â The worlds within the Eye are known as Daemon Worlds and each constitutes its own bizarre sub-reality. At the very centre of the Eye lies the byssos, a hole in the fabric of reality through which raw Chaos energy pours out. Â I'm pretty sure when most say Warp, that's what they mean. Yeah, but the Chaos-marines do not live in Warp per se. Â I'm going to revise the story later:Dark Angels form the Knights of the Lion Chapter in M36 253 during the cursed 21st founding. Their gene-seed is seemingly "pure" until M36 521, when Lead Apothecary Lazarus noticed a mutation in the gene-seed that would cause paralysis, and later death. He was able to reverse the effects, making it non-lethal to future marines, but he himself succumbed to the paralysis shortly after he fixed the gene-seed, becoming a chapter martyr and hero. In honor of this, the Chapter was renamed "The Knights of Lazarus" in dedication to his service and sacrifice. Forces fighting alongside the chapter have also noticed a mysterious white Venerable Dreadnought. "253M.36" is the right form of the date. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretStamos Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 Does the paint scheme seem alright? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Does the paint scheme seem alright? Â Looks fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretStamos Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 I think I should be able to make the color with a combination of snot green and goblin green, perhaps with a basecoat of orkhide shade and chaos black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretStamos Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 What paints would I have to use to obtain a color such as this? Â http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1860593_Aurora_Scout.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 if you use the new painter (maybe the old too) and get the colors you want, it has an option to tell you what paints you will need. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretStamos Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 I've looked at it, and I'm a little displeased. The colors look fairly different than they do on the models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 The new one is supposed to have true colors, so it should be fairly accurate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/215940-knights-of-saint-lazarus/#findComment-2574681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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