Thunder wolf base size 60 mm or biker base

[breng77]

Again the amount of space taken up is pretty much the same. I turn the bikes sideways and they take up just as much space. Also bases don't block line of sight. And if my 20 man unit is rank and file 2 rows deep I can block 50% of them with 5 models with the same base width as I only need to block Half of the unit to give it cover.

[Tyleesa]

Additionally as there's no fenrisian wolf models & none included with special characters. So what base to they use? Why not just go ahead and use dread bases for those as well?

There is a picture of fen. wolves in the old codex. They are just wolves from FB range, on FB cavalry bases.

[breng77]

Even if there was not there is no reason that you could not use a dread base, the trouble would be if you have a tiny wolf on a huge base it is going to get called. That said I would not be opposed to my opponent using say terminator bases for fenrisians. IMO if the model looks like if fits on the base then it is fine with me.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

bah, does it really matter people?

 

both sides have had their say, and unless you plan on gaming with the other side (and i am certainly not), then any more discussion is kinda pointless.

 

WLK

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

There is only one TWC model on sale at the moment and that comes with a 60mm base.

 

No, as pointed out several times he is a special character that rides a thunderwolf, he is not a thunderwolf unit model. Independant characters frequently have larger base sizes than what units use.

 

Standard cavarly and bike models all use the same base. Thunderwolves are cavarly and likewise should be on the same base as bike and cav units.

 

If an opponent was trying to use 60mm bases for his wolves I'd say no because it has a huge impact on the footing of the unit and can be used to deny a much larger area of table space than what cav bases do, and that's seeking an unfair advatage. People wouldn't allow rhinos to be the size of a landraider footprint, why should they allow cav to use something as large as a dreadnought base?

 

It is the only GW model of a Thunderwolf presently on sale, sorry that you disagree with my simple statement of fact. I understand your point about him being a character, but, until a unit of TWC is released by GW then it is the only official reference point we have: everything is conjecture.

 

I've used stand-in versions on 60mm at events in WHW and Phil Kelly popped down to take a look at the various SW armies. No mention of why they all had TWC on over-sized bases from the codex author and that's good enough for me, little brother :P

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

bah, does it really matter people?

 

both sides have had their say, and unless you plan on gaming with the other side (and i am certainly not), then any more discussion is kinda pointless.

 

WLK

 

Sorry, I was multitasking and missed you last post - good point, well made :D

[Haakon Lightfang]

bah, does it really matter people?

 

both sides have had their say, and unless you plan on gaming with the other side (and i am certainly not), then any more discussion is kinda pointless.

 

WLK

 

IMO, it's a good thing to have your "own side" of an argument like this figured out so that when you go to the table against, say, someone other than a buddy (like at a local gaming store) ... you can make a compelling case to why you use the sized base that you do.

 

Whether or not I'm going to be fighting against someone here from B&C, there will always be naysayers that I should be armed and ready for at the gaming table.

[Valerian]

Standard cavarly and bike models all use the same base. Thunderwolves are cavarly and likewise should be on the same base as bike and cav units.

 

I didn't really want to get involved in this thread, but I think there is an important argument to put forth for you lot.

 

Infantry, Jump Infantry, Bikes, Beasts and Cavalry, etc. are all unit types - they have specific rules on how they function in the game, and they are all different in some important ways from one another. Every unit in the game must necessarily be classified into one of these unit types (and they are in their unit entries in the army list), in order for players to know how they function in the game. Now here is the important part, the unit type has absolutely nothing to do with the type/size of base that a unit comes with.

 

Paulson, you seem to think that there is a specific/designated base size associated with each unit type classification, but there is not, which really pulls apart your whole argument. Allow me to give you some examples:

 

Standard Space Marines, Space Marine Terminators, and Chaos Bloodcrushers are all Infantry, but are mounted on 25mm, 40mm, and 60mm bases respectively.

 

A Sky Claw, a Tau Crisis Battlesuit, and a Daemon Prince with Wings are both Jump Infantry, but they would be mounted on 25mm, 40mm and 60mm bases, respectively.

 

A Space Marine Biker and an Attack Bike are both unit type Bikes, but one uses the elongated 25mm by 60mm base, while the other uses a circular base (what, 60mm?).

 

Clearly, there is no standard base size associated with any particular unit type. If the models are produced by GW, then they typically come with a base, and you use what they came with. GW doesn't produce a Thunderwolf Cavalry model, other than Canis/Fanir, who is admittedly a special character, so we have no true standard for what base size to use. However, one would not be unreasonable to use the same size (the 60mm) as the only Thunderwolf-based model that has been produced by the design studio.

 

In no way whatsoever is it fair to make players use the the 25mm by 60mm base, just because those are what your Imperial Guard Rough Riders are mounted on, and they happen to be cavalry, so....

 

Regards,

 

Valerian

[Grizwald714]

I actually called gw today because I got some bad models and I asked what size base thunder wolves should have and the guy said they should be on 60mm bases just like canis so I guess that settles it if gw say that.

[TAVAAR]

I started working on these boys before the models were actually released and put them on biker bases for the cavalry rule (which actually is worse for them due to templates and providing cover for your other guys). However one of my friends actually knows the designers and Phil Kelly and is a SW player himself. So he asked and the response was 60mm, which is ok for me as its actually more advantageous overall than biker bases...just means i have to re-base them

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

I actually called gw today because I got some bad models and I asked what size base thunder wolves should have and the guy said they should be on 60mm bases just like canis so I guess that settles it if gw say that.

 

Much as I agree with their response, if you call again tomorrow you might find that you receive a different answer ;) :P