Assaulting Transports + their contents

[Tsavong Lah]

I just wanted to make sure that you can in fact blow up a transport in the shooting phase and then assault its contents with the same unit in the assault phase. Common sense says yes, but the unit is technically a separate unit from the tank, and you can't shoot one thing and then assault something else. Any help?

[Wolf Guard Nostromo]

Yep, you can destroy a transport and assault the contents. Life is good :sick:

[Vor]

No, no you can't.

 

If a unit shoots a Rhino (or whatever) then it can't assault the unit inside if said Rhino (or whatever) is destroyed. Another unit can shoot and assault them as normal though.

[dswanick]

Basic Rulebook, Pg.67, last sentence of the last paragraph before the Dedicated Transports inset.

 

No, no you can't.

 

If a unit shoots a Rhino (or whatever) then it can't assault the unit inside if said Rhino (or whatever) is destroyed. Another unit can shoot and assault them as normal though.

Vor is incorrect.

[Tyleesa]

A similar question: my dreadnought blows a transport vehicle up with multimelta. Can it shoot the squad that comes out of it with the heavy flamer?

[WG Vrox]

A similar question: my dreadnought blows a transport vehicle up with multimelta. Can it shoot the squad that comes out of it with the heavy flamer?

 

No, the squad would be a separate unit for shooting purposes, of course it can assault the unit in the assault phase.

 

The trick here would be if a unit is standing beside the transport to shoot the Heavy flamer at the transport in a way you hit the unit as well, then fire the melta.

[Grimtooth]

I just wanted to make sure that you can in fact blow up a transport in the shooting phase and then assault its contents with the same unit in the assault phase. Common sense says yes, but the unit is technically a separate unit from the tank, and you can't shoot one thing and then assault something else. Any help?

 

Yes you can assault the unit that was forced out of a destroyed transport.

[LPetersson]

No, no you can't.

 

If a unit shoots a Rhino (or whatever) then it can't assault the unit inside if said Rhino (or whatever) is destroyed. Another unit can shoot and assault them as normal though.

 

 

Yes they can.

Is it really so hard to read the rulebook?

 

Page 67: If a transport is destroyed by a ranged attack, the unit that shot it may now assault the now disembarked passengers.

[nurglez]

in all fairness, it is rather a small box with this rule in, most of my friend's missed it when reading the rule book and I had pointed it out to them, then had to find it again, which took me awhile.

 

You would also think that maybe it would be under the assault section, as opposed to the shooting at vehicles section.

[WG Vrox]

Yes a poorly placed rule and easy to miss.

[Vor]

Heh. Everyone I know, GW staff included, play it wrong then. Wow.

[vash1023]

what is the rule about if the debarking troops have nowhere to go?

 

do they auto die?

[Void Master]

They do indeed. One of the easiest ways to kill of assault terminator squads is to surround their land raider with something (the tougher the better because that tank can still explode) and then hope for a vehicle destroyed result that forces the squad to disembark. It works a treat against players who constantly field deathstars because they can't think up proper tactics.

 

The thing to know, though, is that this only works when the squad is forced to disembark, not when the vehicle explodes because then the squad has to be placed where the vehicle used to be. I believe that any models that can't be placed are destroyed, but I can't think of a lot of cases where that might happen. One example could be 8 terminators. I don't know whether they'd fit on the footprint of a land raider (I think they probably do, but that's the best example I can come up with).

[LPetersson]

in all fairness, it is rather a small box with this rule in, most of my friend's missed it when reading the rule book and I had pointed it out to them, then had to find it again, which took me awhile.

 

You would also think that maybe it would be under the assault section, as opposed to the shooting at vehicles section.

 

True, there are some rules they could have in more than one place, but I do think this one is in a very logical place, i.e. under the section for vehicles that are blown up.

 

Anyway, the real reason why I was snarky was because Vor stated so firmly that it couldn't be done when clearly you can and it's not even a rule that is in any way, what so ever, ambiguous.

[nurglez]

well, as I said, when I mentioned it to my friends they had not noticed it, and were sure you couldn't do it, as under assault it declares you can only assault the target you shot at.

 

We all know the rule book isn't as clear and concise as it could be, but such is life :)

[SJumppanen]

They do indeed. One of the easiest ways to kill of assault terminator squads is to surround their land raider with something (the tougher the better because that tank can still explode) and then hope for a vehicle destroyed result that forces the squad to disembark. It works a treat against players who constantly field deathstars because they can't think up proper tactics.

 

The thing to know, though, is that this only works when the squad is forced to disembark, not when the vehicle explodes because then the squad has to be placed where the vehicle used to be. I believe that any models that can't be placed are destroyed, but I can't think of a lot of cases where that might happen. One example could be 8 terminators. I don't know whether they'd fit on the footprint of a land raider (I think they probably do, but that's the best example I can come up with).

 

Note that if vehicle explodes those modells must be also placed 1" away from those surrounding figures in addition to placing them into the footprint of the vehicle.

[WG Vrox]

I have always played it that a model riding inside the wrecked vehicle can deploy on top of the vehicle, its not advisable as they they not only have to take a pinning test but also must make a dangerous terrain test but they still are able to do it in an emergency situation.

 

After re-reading the rule I see that it does not say one way or the other but that the vehicle does not become a wreck until after they disembark, so this may be an issue.

 

Has anyone else played it to where you can deploy on top of as well as around the vehicle if you desire?

[Grimtooth]

That gets tossed out a lot, but always gets shot down for the exact reason you put forth. The vehicle does not become a wreck unto AFTER they are disembarked which prevents the models being placed on it till then.