Sanguinary Guard & death masks

[kennedy]

I am a new Blood Angels player and was wondering how the Sang Guard were. Are the death masks worth taking?

I was considering using Dante and taking the Sang Guard as his troop choices. Has anyone else had luck with this?

thanks for any input.

[bulley]

Toy army, fun to look at and amusing to play with, but just doesnt cut the mustard beyond that.

 

Death Masks are nice, but not worth the points on an already pointy squad. If you have Dante you dont need any more really, and I dont think you particularly need them in the first place.

 

Dante + a couple of squad of SG are quite nice, keep them quite "light" with just a PF or a couple of infernus pistols, then fill up the rest of the army w/ RAS and a squad or two of VV or HG (depending on how your going about your entry) and plenty, and I mean plenty, of FNP loving.

[Justin2008]

Hell yeah death masks are worth it :huh:

 

They are awesome and can really be the difference when facing another SM player.

 

i give them the thumbs up lol :P

[Brother Molon Labe]

Death masks probably aren't worth the cost however a good blood nipple army such as the one from Kirby's blog http://kirbysblog-ic.blogspot.com/2010/08/...angel-jump.html this list is pretty competative if you learn to play the list well. It isn't an instant win but you can make alot of people fear playing you. Hope this helps you decide on whether a Blood nipple army is for you.

[AngelOfDeathXIII]

I use the Sanguinary Guards almost always but most of the time in the company of Dante so they don't really need the Death Masks. Add the fact that I usually play Orks who are Fearless when there are more than 10 of them, So I don't take Death Masks very much. I think the Death Masks are best used against high Toughness unit who aren't fearless. ((Chaos) Marines for example). Against units with a lower Toughness I wouldn't use Death Masks because you'll probably wipe them out anyway.

 

Hope this is of some use

 

For the Emperor Brother

[shatter]

After the codex was first released, it was questioned quite a bit.

 

Some consensus was reached.

 

In a DoA heavy list, if you expect to have 3 jp units working together at the same time (maybe 5 or 6 total in your whole army); 1 being sanguard multicharging with buddy units flanking and assaulting, then masks are probably a good buy. So, one will see the odd unit with the masks in 'nipple lists'. This consensus seems to have survived the test of time.

[Chaplain Gunzhard]

I've only used them once, in an apocalypse game where points clearly didn't matter... they were awesome. This little 5 man unit was charged by some big bugs and then again later by Orks and survived both attacks, imo, because of the Masks. Though I have not been able to justify taking them in ordinary games and I take much more care with the unit as a whole generally, so as not to be assaulted my big bugs.

[Mortarion]

I use the Sanguinary Guards almost always but most of the time in the company of Dante so they don't really need the Death Masks. Add the fact that I usually play Orks who are Fearless when there are more than 10 of them, So I don't take Death Masks very much. I think the Death Masks are best used against high Toughness unit who aren't fearless. ((Chaos) Marines for example). Against units with a lower Toughness I wouldn't use Death Masks because you'll probably wipe them out anyway.

Since the Death masks require the charged unit to take a leadership test and not a morale test it doesn't matter if the charged unit is fearless. They still have to take the test. But with Ld10, the orks are not that likely to fail anyway.

 

The death masks are awesome when they work, but I don't think they are worth the cost. The units you need the masks against generally have quite high Ld.

[AngelOfDeathXIII]

I've only used them once, in an apocalypse game where points clearly didn't matter... they were awesome. This little 5 man unit was charged by some big bugs and then again later by Orks and survived both attacks, imo, because of the Masks. Though I have not been able to justify taking them in ordinary games and I take much more care with the unit as a whole generally, so as not to be assaulted my big bugs.

Is that true :rolleyes: Robert (or Weirdboy as we call him) will be so pissed :P

[Chaplain Gunzhard]

I've only used them once, in an apocalypse game where points clearly didn't matter... they were awesome. This little 5 man unit was charged by some big bugs and then again later by Orks and survived both attacks, imo, because of the Masks. Though I have not been able to justify taking them in ordinary games and I take much more care with the unit as a whole generally, so as not to be assaulted my big bugs.

Is that true :) Robert (or Weirdboy as we call him) will be so pissed :yes:

 

Yes, it was actually quite decisive because we were on/contesting an objective. Like Mort said, even Fearless units must take the test.

[kennedy]

Wow, great feedback so far. thanks.

It seems that I need to try the masks and see how they work for me.

I am a liitle confused with `Chaplain Gunzhard` reply though. It seems he said he used the masks when he was charged. My understanding of their rule is they are used on the `charge`. Am I missing something here?

I am looking forward to play testting a list I have put together, hopefully next week.

[Chaplain Gunzhard]

Wow, great feedback so far. thanks.

It seems that I need to try the masks and see how they work for me.

I am a liitle confused with `Chaplain Gunzhard` reply though. It seems he said he used the masks when he was charged. My understanding of their rule is they are used on the `charge`. Am I missing something here?

I am looking forward to play testting a list I have put together, hopefully next week.

 

You made me just run for my codex... and you are correct. Well, it looks like we really didn't win that game hah. Fortunately that was the only time I ever used the masks.

[AngelOfDeathXIII]

Wow, great feedback so far. thanks.

It seems that I need to try the masks and see how they work for me.

I am a liitle confused with `Chaplain Gunzhard` reply though. It seems he said he used the masks when he was charged. My understanding of their rule is they are used on the `charge`. Am I missing something here?

I am looking forward to play testting a list I have put together, hopefully next week.

 

You made me just run for my codex... and you are correct. Well, it looks like we really didn't win that game hah. Fortunately that was the only time I ever used the masks.

 

Well... When you say it like that Death Masks aren't that great... The only time it was effective it didn't really count XD

Besides, the Sanguinary Guard are a great unit anyways (especially when including Dante), when I fought the Tau they butchered their way trough 2 battlesuits, 30 Fire Warriors and some drones.. Dante took 2 wound but that were my casualties that game (in another corner of the battlefield a 5-men scout squad killed 15 Kroot and a Shaper without a loss in return). If anyone is interested let me know. I´ll post the battle report