The Forgiven

[confused_gordy]

Hi guys, just working on a quick bit of fluff for the background of my new army.

 

I really like the Dark angels imagery, and wanted to do a successor chaptor, but didnt really want to have a bunch of moody guys who felt bad about something that happened 10k years ago, so therefore i had an idea:

 

 

 

Lowly non inner circle DA, gets inducted into the death watch...

 

200 years pass...

 

The inner circle is chatting away about how the hunt for the fallen isnt going very well, and they need to give their brethren hope...

 

The now much more badass DA returns from his time with the death watch, bearing an inquisitorial emblem (he has been given the unique honor of being chosen to replace his inquisitor after his death, as the first ever space marine inquisitor, I know thats silly but I guess it could happen, and I need it for the next bit)...

 

The inner circle have a problem, they cant have a DA who is also an inquisitor, what happens if he finds things out, they cant just kill him, he is a brother!

 

They have an idea to kill two birds with one stone and generate a bit of optimism in the ranks...

 

They petition the high lords of terra for a new chapter to be created, The Forgiven (but don't tell the lords about the inquisitor)...

 

With his new rank the inquisitor DA is given the mantle of chapter master, and a bunch of other unknowing DA. A new chapter is created with official inquisitorial power, and no knowledge of the fallen, a fresh start for the dark angels as it were, and as he reports back to the DA on occasion and performs the duties of an inquisitor, they get free intelligence about the fallen.

 

 

 

I know its a long shot piece of fluff, but it makes for an army using the two coolest icons in the imperium (the DA symbol and the inquisitor badge), and an army that can be happy and be DAs successors, without worrying about the fallen.

 

Comments, criticism etc all welcome...

[NightrawenII]

Hello and welcome in Liber.

 

Space Marine can't became Inquisitor. "Separation of Power" and the stuff.

2nd, the Inquisition recruits individuals of inquisitive-nature, Marine is far from such person, he is psycho-conditioned killing-machine.

 

BTW, Garro is "The exeption proves the rule." so to speak.

[Grand Master Tyrak]

Well, that was blunt. :)

 

To try and explain that, Inquisitors have to be able to conduct infiltrations (particularly in the early years of their career when they generally operate alone, or with only one or two retainers). That doesn't mean the "camp out in the woods and watch through binoculars" infiltrations that SM Scouts conduct, it means the "go in disguise to the Duchess of X's masked ball and see if you can pick up anything about the Chaos worship that's rumoured to be taking place in the basement". Being an eight-foot tall and clearly abhuman Space Marine is doing to make that difficult. After all there's only so many times you can pass it off as a fancy-dress costume, and it won't long before that excuse about being born on a zero gravity ship and being a half-breed Ogryn is going to get people coming to gawk.

 

Although NightrawenII is right about the separation of powers problem, the biggest issue by far is that he can't fulfil the duties of an Inquisitor.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

...and it won't long before that excuse about being born on a zero gravity ship and being a half-breed Ogryn is going to get people coming to gawk.

 

That is on those worlds where it won't get you shot :lol:

[confused_gordy]

Well I assumed it was against the rules for some reason similar to a separation of power,

 

But again I don't expect all inquisitors to follow the rules 100% and as (in eisenhorn at least) inquisitors seem to choose their own successors, I didnt expect it to be 100% impossible.

 

As to being capable of infiltration, many inquisitors are completely incapable of such a task (Ravenor rings a bell here). Yet space marines have successfully posed as human (all be it large humans), one of the space wolf novels has a fallen masquerading as a guard commander.

 

I am unaware of Garro - who is he? what were the circumstances for his inquisitorship (or was he just the founder? im not up on the early post heresy fluff)

 

If anyone knows of a concrete reference for the ruling that marines cant be inquisitors mind telling me where I can look it up? Im assuming the same place Garro is mentioned.

[Grand Master Tyrak]

I am unaware of Garro - who is he? what were the circumstances for his inquisitorship (or was he just the founder? im not up on the early post heresy fluff)

 

He's the leader of the loyalist Marines that report Horus' treachery to the Emperor. Although there's nothing concrete, it is all but spelled out at the end of Flight of the Eisenstein that he's going to be involved in setting up the Inquisition.

 

As to being capable of infiltration, many inquisitors are completely incapable of such a task (Ravenor rings a bell here)

 

That's one, and Ravenor was promoted to Inquisitor before suffering his injuries in the Thracian Primaris incident.

 

But again I don't expect all inquisitors to follow the rules 100%

 

All Inquisitors follow the rules, they just differ on what the rules are. ;) That's an important distinction. Although there's room for manoeuvre they will all normally adhere to the basic rules and be aware that they cannot justify breaking them, and that's even with "the ends justify the means" being the most common justification of all corrupted Inquisitors.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

If anyone knows of a concrete reference for the ruling that marines cant be inquisitors mind telling me where I can look it up? Im assuming the same place Garro is mentioned.

 

I - and I admit to being the inferior of GMT when it comes to breadth of knowledge - believe it is one of those "never been done/unwritten rules". The only dealings that Astartes have with Inquisitors is to serve at their behest as members of the Deathwatch; the militant arm of the Ordo Xenos.

 

The thing is an Astartes isn't suited to being an Inquisitor not simply because of physical appearance but also because of mindset and attitude; an Inquisitor is all things to all people, whilst the Astartes are the bluntest instruments of war - not that a Space Marine isn't intelligent, just that it is different type of intelligence.

[Shinzaren]

And, there are a couple of things no one has covered yet.

A.) A Space Marine's loyalty is always to the Chapter and the Emperor. You are giving Inquisitorial powers to a Space Marine, who would answer to the Chapter. It would be hard for him to fulfill all the required duties of an Inquisitor while still answering to Azrael.

B.) Of ALL the chapters to possibly form this idea around, you have chosen one of the worst. Dark Angels are tolerated at best, and mistrusted and suspected at worst. They have a very blunt unwillingness to work near the Inquisition, and a very bad habit of doing whatever the heck they want whenever they want. The Inquisition doesn't trust them, and the Dark Angels don't trust the Inquisition.

C.) They could, and possibly would, just let some "accident" befall the new Inquisitor/Space Marine. Even if they didn't, and your Space Marine/Inquisitor stays in the DA, they don't have the authority to create a new chapter. Even if the High Lords did say yes, an unlikely event considering the DA's... problems, the Space Marine/Inquisitor would NOT be picked to lead it.

D.) The Reason he would not be picked it simple. It goes back to the separation of powers. If an Inquisitor is leading a Chapter, he has control over something that he shouldn't. The Inquisition doesn't own Space Marines. You are gonna cause way more problems then you'll solve with this.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

D.) The Reason he would not be picked it simple. It goes back to the separation of powers. If an Inquisitor is leading a Chapter, he has control over something that he shouldn't. The Inquisition doesn't own Space Marines. You are gonna cause way more problems then you'll solve with this.

 

To build on this; even Chapters with such wildly different dogma as the Space Wolves or Black Templars wouldn't countenance such a thing.

 

 

Ultimately it is your idea, but in the Liber we all try to keep things in line with the way the universe works - even if some of us suck at it.

[Shinzaren]

Ultimately it is your idea, but in the Liber we all try to keep things in line with the way the universe works - even if some of us suck at it.

Hey! That Squat/Necron Space Marine Chapter was totally viable! Necrons cross-bred with Space Marines into Arnie wannabes was clearly a great idea!

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Ultimately it is your idea, but in the Liber we all try to keep things in line with the way the universe works - even if some of us suck at it.

Hey! That Squat/Necron Space Marine Chapter was totally viable! Necrons cross-bred with Space Marines into Arnie wannabes was clearly a great idea!

 

So was the Female Space Marine Chapter with an interesting way of inducting new recruits.. Oh wait, no...

 

 

Point stands though, as I'm sure you'll agree Shinzaren; we are happy to help - some of us, I'm a bit mercurial in that regard - but we need to want to help and blatant disregard of "the way things work" isn't going to help.

[Shinzaren]

Point stands though, as I'm sure you'll agree Shinzaren; we are happy to help - some of us, I'm a bit mercurial in that regard - but we need to want to help and blatant disregard of "the way things work" isn't going to help.

Agreed. Joking aside, working inside the established fluff and the shared universe will make things many times easier, and ensure that people are looking at the content of your ideas, and not getting hung up on Space Marine Inquisitors.

[soddinnutter]

Inquisitors? They’re sneaky :D . Useful, yes, even necessary, but I wouldn’t buy a used aircar from any of them.

- Arbitrator General Bex van Sturm

 

Most Astartes would share the attitude of this Arbiter General.

 

There was a bit in one of the Ragnar Blackmane books, Wolfblade i believe, where The Mighty Haegar expressed his distrust of the Inquisition and declared that Holy Terra should be Exterminatused (excluding the bit with the Emperor on it and, possibly, House Bellesarious) to remove such backstabing, dishonest filth.

 

The Inquisition have a whole host of things to call the Chapters the best of them being useful and the worst of them something on the lines of degenerate, mutated, over-zealous heretics.