IT: Reavers of Zeenthar

[Dosjetka]

I'm back again *groans* with another DIY idea. This time though, it will be a Chaos warband instead of the usual Loyalist Chapter.

 

So, a few things about the warband, just a quick draft. Will develop as I go along.

 

IT: Reavers of Zeenthar

"Knowledge is power, guard it well."

 

History

 

 

 

 

 

 

• Tzeentch venerating warband.
  
• based on Fallen Spire, Ice World situated deep in the Eastern Rim (near Constantinium).
  
• Tzeentch venerating warband.
  
• responsible for the three-time near-destruction of the Dragon Lords Chapter. The Dragon Lord are the warband's sworn enemies. (will develop on this later)
  
• ruled by a three-headed Daemon Prince (each head has his own mind).
  
• mix of rubric marines (bodyguards) and normal CSM
  
• regularly invoke daemons and ally with other (usually weaker) warbands.
  

 

05/12/2010 - 20:34 GMT +1 Update:

• Each DP head has it's own group of followers -> internal conflict is common
  
• the personnal bodyguard of the three-headed DP is a group of daemonically possessed Terminators
  
• attack loyalist Chapters/other warbands/Imperial organisations to kidnap their aspiring psykers and/or Librarians/Primaris Psykers/Battle Psykers/Sorcerors
  
• the main lieutenants of each head are chosen after duels (will expand on these duels later on)
  
• Each lieutenant must abide by his masters orders, though he is mostly free to do as he wishes as the heads spend quite some time squabbling ;)
  

 

06/12/2010 - 12:39 GMT +1 Update:

• as expected from followers of Tzeentch, they are hated by the followers of Khorne, though they do not hesitate to manipulate Khornate warbands for the advancement of their goals.
  
• see both Slaaneshi and Nurglite followers as weak-minded in search of things they cannot possess, but do manipulate/ally with them to advance their own goals.
  
• do not have many vehicles as the warband's Tecmarines and Tech-Priests spend most of their time maintaining the Traitor's power armour, weapons and battleships in working order.
  
• it is not considered as an honour to carry TDA (-> true followers of Tzeentch get their protection from him), but the few squads wearing TDA are still deployed if needed on the battle field.
  
• mostly seen operating in the Eastern Rim, though some have been seen around the EoT and the Maelström.
  
• launch lightning attacks with their Power Armour units to destroy key points and then subdue their enemy with a horde of Daemons.
  

 

C&C greatly appreciated :(

 

Ludovic

[Ferrata]

ruled by a council of three Daemon Princes (realistic?).

A council idea could work, however there are a number of issues. Firstly, daemon princes are selfish, they want to be in charge. So much infact, I doubt many DP actually follow anyone else bar their gods - they really think they are the bees knees. Even regular Chaos Marines find it difficult to follow somebody else, they are always looking for an angle or an edge to alter a situation to favour them. Now, for 3 DP to work together, they either need to be so weak that they couldn't not command without one another (which would ask the question why are they DP if they are so weak) or if one had actually beaten the others into submission - but then why is it a council? Another idea that occurs to me is a three-headed, three-daemoned DP that is actually one body. The only reason they work together is because they only have one body so cannot not work together. Maybe three forces led by the three DP assaulted a planet. An Inq. and his GK buddies show up, attempt to send them back to the warp but are killed halfway through and the three get merged together.

[Ecritter]

Maybe they aren't really working together, but struggling for control over the warband?

[Captain Juan Juarez]

ruled by a council of three Daemon Princes (realistic?).

A council idea could work, however there are a number of issues. Firstly, daemon princes are selfish, they want to be in charge. So much infact, I doubt many DP actually follow anyone else bar their gods - they really think they are the bees knees. Even regular Chaos Marines find it difficult to follow somebody else, they are always looking for an angle or an edge to alter a situation to favour them.

 

Unless you consider the warband a particularly desirable object, so you get the idea that each is just looking for the opportunity to stab the others in the back.

 

DP Bob: Jim, go assault Cadia.. It's a brilliant idea!

DP Jim: Er.. No Bob, I'll pass, even the Black Legion couldn' take Cadia.

DP John: Nah, Bob.. It's a great idea, one small force could slip in unnoticed!

DP Jim: **flaps huge wings** Unnoticed? If I didn't know better I'd think you were trying to get me killed...

 

 

The only reason they work together is because they only have one body so cannot not work together. Maybe three forces led by the three DP assaulted a planet. An Inq. and his GK buddies show up, attempt to send them back to the warp but are killed halfway through and the three get merged together.

 

That is a brilliant idea, well done sirrah!

[UltimateJake]

ruled by a council of three Daemon Princes (realistic?).

A council idea could work, however there are a number of issues. Firstly, daemon princes are selfish, they want to be in charge. So much infact, I doubt many DP actually follow anyone else bar their gods - they really think they are the bees knees. Even regular Chaos Marines find it difficult to follow somebody else, they are always looking for an angle or an edge to alter a situation to favour them. Now, for 3 DP to work together, they either need to be so weak that they couldn't not command without one another (which would ask the question why are they DP if they are so weak) or if one had actually beaten the others into submission - but then why is it a council? Another idea that occurs to me is a three-headed, three-daemoned DP that is actually one body. The only reason they work together is because they only have one body so cannot not work together. Maybe three forces led by the three DP assaulted a planet. An Inq. and his GK buddies show up, attempt to send them back to the warp but are killed halfway through and the three get merged together.

 

I second this idea. Brilliant.

[Ecritter]

I like my idea .... can I second it myself?

[Captain Juan Juarez]

I like my idea .... can I second it myself?

 

In fairness I built on your idea, not that I hadn't stolen the idea - it was just from someone else :lol:

[Dosjetka]

Another idea that occurs to me is a three-headed, three-daemoned DP that is actually one body. The only reason they work together is because they only have one body so cannot not work together. Maybe three forces led by the three DP assaulted a planet. An Inq. and his GK buddies show up, attempt to send them back to the warp but are killed halfway through and the three get merged together.

So the GK's and Inq mess up their banishment and the DP's somehow get merged? Wow...now that is a novel idea! I really like it (it also shows that the GK's and Inq aren't so powerful after all. Niark, niark).

 

The other ideas are good to, so cheers to you Ecritter and CJJ, but I'll go with Ferrata's one. It somehow reminds me of these chaps :lol:

http://people.ku.edu/~jsnyder/monty7.jpg

 

Cheers,

 

Ludovic

 

Edit: Ferrata's idea also makes me think of that two-headed dragon in WFB and Kairos, both affiliated to Tzeentch. Great stuff ;)

[soddinnutter]

Battle Cry: Ni!

[Ecritter]

Well I bow to the wisdom of Monty Python as always.

[Dosjetka]

Second update in first post!

 

C&C appreciated :)

 

Ludovic

 

Edit:

Battle Cry: Ni!

 

Nice one :lol:

[Dosjetka]

*bump*

 

Another small update included into the first post.

 

C&C appreciated!

 

Ludovic

 

Edit: Added temporary name, sounds and looks better than "IT: XYZ" :D

[Dosjetka]

Nothing? :)

 

Ludovic

[soddinnutter]

Band of Tzeentch followers doing Tzeentchy things lead by one messed up (<--- pre-requisite for the job of Warband leader) Deamon Prince.

[Dosjetka]

Band of Tzeentch followers doing Tzeentchy things lead by one messed up (<--- pre-requisite for the job of Warband leader) Deamon Prince.

Any C&C?

 

Ludovic

[soddinnutter]

Why do they hate the Dragon Lords more than every one else?

 

Why do their need to be duels to decide leadership? Surely that's a more Khorne or Slaaneshii thing than a Tzneetchian thing. Followers of Big Bird should plot and scheme and stab each other in the back in an endless play of allegiances, betrayals and scheming. Its more devious that way, seldom kill an opponent when you can manipulate them into keeping another opponent busy for the next few weeks.

[Dosjetka]

Why do they hate the Dragon Lords more than every one else?

I meant that the Dragon Lords hate them, and not vice-versa. The Reavers just attacked their Chapter to take their neophytes/Libbies/resources/etc.. but it could have been any other Chapter. I chose the Dragon Lords as they are mentioned in the C:SM as <Lost Contact> so I thought they could be my victim Chapter ;)

 

Why do their need to be duels to decide leadership? Surely that's a more Khorne or Slaaneshii thing than a Tzneetchian thing. Followers of Big Bird should plot and scheme and stab each other in the back in an endless play of allegiances, betrayals and scheming. Its more devious that way, seldom kill an opponent when you can manipulate them into keeping another opponent busy for the next few weeks.

Sure, but then the rank of SiC could change daily, and that's not what I want for my warband. The "lieutenants" must be respected (to a certain degree) and so must earn their place by showing greater skill/power/initiative/backstabbing abilities/etc... The duels are far from honourable, cheat free fights, but they determine who is boss and who isn't. IMO anyway.

 

Cheers soddinnutter :P

 

Ludovic

[The Shiny One]

I like your whole alternative approach to tzeentch and what you have so far.

 

The Name seems fine for your guys. Perhaps you could name them after there daemonprince. Just a thought.

 

What i dont understand is the rubricmarines. and the terminators, which of them are the bodyguards? How are the rubrics envolved anyway? Is one of the Lieutenant a 1000 sons Sorcerer?

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

As the above. Rubric marines are specificly 1000 Sons.

 

I think they should have sorcerous duels or contests of willpower/mastery of the Warp, as opposed to clashes of the blade. More Tzeentchian, plus you mentioned that they specificly go after psykers.

 

This seems to be a heavily infantry themed army, however, downplaying TDA and making them with few vehicles. Any specific reason for this, besides perhaps you prefer collecting infantry in Real Life? :P

 

I do like it, although it does seem to be stereotypical for Tzeentch...

[Dosjetka]

I like your whole alternative approach to tzeentch and what you have so far.

Cheers ^_^ But what d'you mean by "alternative" approach?

 

The Name seems fine for your guys. Perhaps you could name them after there daemonprince. Just a thought.

Well, that was the idea (the DP's name is Zeenthar) though maybe it's a bit too common? (ie. Hakanor's Reavers)

 

What i dont understand is the rubricmarines. and the terminators, which of them are the bodyguards? How are the rubrics envolved anyway? Is one of the Lieutenant a 1000 sons Sorcerer?

As the above. Rubric marines are specificly 1000 Sons.

Yeah, I thought that they could recruit some Rubric Marines as bodyguards for the lieutenants. The Terminators are the DP's bodyguard. I'll have to explain that in the next update, thanks for pointing it out :P

 

Any specific reason for this, besides perhaps you prefer collecting infantry in Real Life?

Too many Mech lists in real-life, IMO and it shows that they don't have tons of resources to keep vehicles going.

 

I think they should have sorcerous duels or contests of willpower/mastery of the Warp, as opposed to clashes of the blade. More Tzeentchian, plus you mentioned that they specificly go after psykers.

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Ah...great minds think alike ;)

 

although it does seem to be stereotypical for Tzeentch...

In what way? -_-

 

Cheers,

 

Ludovic

[The Shiny One]

With "alternative" i simply meant: no 1000 Sons Magic theme and more a focus on change with the 3 fractions. Perhaps they could have even more than 3 fractions, so the interpretations are even more fluid and confusing, but thats just a thought, to make it more dynamic and chaotic.