IA: Untitled

[Supreme Overlord]

Hey all,

Before I say anything else, please let me know if this name has been taken! I searched around and didn't find any other Chapters called the Conquerors, but I do miss things occasionaly. Damn, I guess I did miss it :D

Anyways, back to business. This is the outline for a DIY Chapter I will be creating called the Conquerors. After a long time with ideas swimming around in my head, I have decided to finally give my ideas the attention they have been seeking. I have read the DIY Guide and Octavulg's Octaguide, and it seems the first step is to create an outline. So here it is (along with a picture):

Conquerors Tactical Marine

ORIGINS

-First Chapter Master was Captain Franco Gonzela, a zealous but well-meaning individual who lead the Conquerors on their first crusade

-The Conqeurors accompanied an Explorator fleet on this first crusade of theirs, and so began a very long and prosperous relationship

-The Fortress Monastery of the Conqeurors was gifted to them by the Mechanicum after their efforts on this crusade

-Most subsequent Chapter Masters have tried to live up to Franco "The Conqueror"'s ideals, and mold the Chapter in his image just as Franco did to the first Conqeuror neophytes

HOMEWORLD

-Fleet-based

-Fortress monastery is a heavily modified battle barge—larger and deadlier than a standard Astartes battle barge. The fortress monastery is home to the Conqueror's extensive Librarium and is traditionally commanded by the Chapter Master, or the First Captain if the Chapter master is not present

-The Conqueror's other battle barge is traditionally commanded by the Reclusiarch, and instead of the usual colour scheme of the Conqeurors, is painted in a sombre black

-Chapter fleet is larger than most because of fleet-based nature

-The Conquerors can recruit from any world but the mainstay of their recruits comes from a few select planets that have proven to be excellent sources of recruits

COMBAT DOCTRINE

-The Chapter follows the Codex fairly closely when conducting combat operations, and adapts it as necessary to take into account the larger amount of rarer equipment they use

-The "drop pod assault" has been perfected by the Conquerors over the millenia that they have been spearheading Mechanicus forays onto new worlds

ORGANISATION

-Codex organisation

-Strong relationship with Adeptus Mechanicus results in a larger amount of rarer equipment being available to the Conquerors, much to the displeasure of less well-equipped Chapters

-The Conqueror’s affinity with technology has resulted in slightly more techmarines than normal

BELIEFS

-Firm believers that all Space Marines should adhere to the original purpose of the Astartes—to conquer new worlds for the Imperium

-More static Chapters are thought of unfavourably by the Conquerors, but similarly-minded Chapters such as the Black Templars are held in respect

-The Chapter regularly assists Mechanicus Explorator fleets, and as such enjoy a close relationship with the Mechanicum (and a share of the spoils to boot)

-The Chapter’s strong relations with the AdMech is seen as unhealthy by some other Chapters, and viewed with suspicion by the Inquisition

-The need to claim more worlds for the Emperor has developed into an unhealthy obsession for many Conquerors, and many of them are highly irritable when not in combat or about to go into combat

-Long periods of time spent by the Chapter with Adeptus Mechanicus personnel has caused some of the adept’s obsession with technology to rub off on the Space Marines, causing many Conquerors to become violently protective of their personal wargear (more so than other Marines)

-Some Conquerors have been known hold an abnormally insatiable thirst for glory and personal advancement, sometimes at the expense of personal safety, and the well-being of other Conquerors

-The Inquisition sees what they call the “power hungry” element of some Conquerors as highly dangerous and something to keep a very close eye on

GENESEED

-Roboute Guilliman

BATTLE-CRY

-To be decided

Well, thats the outline so far. I am going to add more to it before I write the IA's first draft, but I thought it would be handy to get some critique first (in case I'm doing something totally wrong). But yeah, this is my first IA, so I could have missed something!

Some C&C would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Dosjetka]

Hey all,

Hi! :)

 

-Fleet-based

-Fortress monastery is a heavily modified battle barge—larger and deadlier than a standard Astartes battle barge.

Reminds me of Black Templars.

 

-The Conqueror's other battle barge is traditionally commanded by the Reclusiarch

Ditto.

 

-Chapter fleet is larger than most because of fleet-based nature

-The Conquerors can recruit from any world but the mainstay of their recruits comes from a few select planets that have proven to be excellent sources of recruits

Ditto.

 

to take into account the larger amount of rarer equipment they use

I don't think I'm getting the meaning of this sentence. Would you mind explaining it please?

 

-Strong relationship with Adeptus Mechanicus results in a larger amount of rarer equipment such as Razorbacks and Terminator suits being available to the Conquerors,

-The Conqueror’s affinity with technology has resulted in slightly more techmarines than normal

I like the idea, but it's a bit too close to the Iron Hands... :P

 

the original purpose of the Astartes—to conquer new worlds for the Imperium

I like this, though it could cause a few problems with other Imperial organisations, which I like too ;)

 

-The Conquerors regularly assist Mechanicus Explorator fleets, and as such enjoy a close relationship with the Mechanicum (and a share of the spoils to boot)

Cool idea, but I greatly doubt that the AdMech would part with any relic/SCT they would find.

 

causing many Conquerors to become violently protective of their personal wargear (more so than other Marines)

Reminds me of the behaviour of a little kid with his favourite toy :P

 

-The Inquisition sees what they call the “power hungry” element of some Conquerors as highly dangerous and something to keep a very close eye on

If highly dangerous, then they would be eradicated/investigated upon.

 

-To be decided (between Roboute Guilliman and Rogal Dorn

Take Guilliman, Dorn is a bit too common and you can really define what you chaps got from their gene-seed, instead of having to take what's already been stated (-> in Dorn's gene-seed's case)

 

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All in all, it's quite a good start, a bit too BT-ey for my taste, but that's just me. And the colour scheme is cool too :P

 

Ludovic

[NightrawenII]

Hey all,

Welcome in the Liber. :P

 

Before I say anything else, please let me know if this name has been taken! I searched around and didn't find any other Chapters called the Conquerors, but I do miss things occasionaly.

- It seems so. The Conquerors.

 

-Strong relationship with Adeptus Mechanicus results in a larger amount of rarer equipment such as Razorbacks and Terminator suits being available to the Conquerors, much to the displeasure of less well-equipped Chapters

- Razorback is far from rare. Land Raiders, T-hawks, Dreadnoughts, Land Speeders and TDA are rare equipment.

 

There is nothing wrong with this outline so far. Yes, they are like BT with some IH sauce thrown in to spices things up. But that's not bad at all.

 

 

Cheers.

[Supreme Overlord]

Thanks for the replies.

 

Reminds me of Black Templars.

 

Not my intention, it just seems to make sense seeing as they don't have a homeworld (they need a significantly large place to hoarde all their stuff!), and the fleet is larger than most because, once again, no homeworld. I was not aware however that the Templar's Reclusiarch lead a battle barge by himself--this is something I could easily drop, I just thought it would be cool to have a big Chaplain ship. <_<

 

I don't think I'm getting the meaning of this sentence. Would you mind explaining it please?

 

They have more rare equipment than standard, and so need to adapt their tactics accordingly. E.g. the large number of terminator suits they have allows them to perform certain strategies that other Chapters can't do.

 

I like the idea, but it's a bit too close to the Iron Hands...

 

I see your point, but if a Chapter assists the AdMech as much as this one has over the millenia, I think they would get rewarded quite handsomly (at least from what I've read, the AdMech keeps its friends close).

 

I like this, though it could cause a few problems with other Imperial organisations, which I like too

 

Certainly will. Every Chapter has some Imperial enemies...

 

Cool idea, but I greatly doubt that the AdMech would part with any relic/SCT they would find.

 

Certainly not the STC. But, say if they find a big vault of awesome, ancient shiny swords. Do you think they could spare one for the Marines?

 

Reminds me of the behaviour of a little kid with his favourite toy

 

A really, really paranoid kid with a very dangerous toy. :P

 

If highly dangerous, then they would be eradicated/investigated upon.

 

Point taken, I think I will reword that a bit. Thirst for glory is no bad thing, but when they start itching to have their names remembered by the masses like Franco is, and when they start craving that new position as Captain, the Inquisition gets a bit worried.

 

Take Guilliman, Dorn is a bit too common and you can really define what you chaps got from their gene-seed, instead of having to take what's already been stated (-> in Dorn's gene-seed's case)

 

I agree. Now I just have to decide what Chapter Franco and his training cadre came from.

 

All in all, it's quite a good start, a bit too BT-ey for my taste, but that's just me. And the colour scheme is cool too

 

Thanks. Took me a while to come up with a scheme I liked.

 

- It seems so. The Conquerors.

 

Damn! :P I had a suspicion that the name was taken. Now I have to think of another...

 

- Razorback is far from rare. Land Raiders, T-hawks, Dreadnoughts, Land Speeders and TDA are rare equipment.

 

I thought I read in the codex that Razorbacks are still not in full use, and some Chapters don't have complete access to them? That may have just been the original Las/Plas variant though.

 

There is nothing wrong with this outline so far.

 

Excellent.

 

Once again, thanks for the replies. I will post an update when I've done my first draft. Feel free to give more C&C.

[Nine_Breaker]

Point taken, I think I will reword that a bit. Thirst for glory is no bad thing, but when they start itching to have their names remembered by the masses like Franco is, and when they start craving that new position as Captain, the Inquisition gets a bit worried.

Since when do Inquisitors all have spidey senses? <_<

 

How would the Inquisition even know about these Astartes without the chapter going out of its way to give that information up. Inquisitors don't just wonder through the ranks of every chapter, and even if they did they have little to no authority there. Power hungry marines are for the chapter to notice and take care of, not other Imperial organizations. It becomes the business of the Inquisition once some Astartes turn traitor. If this wasn't the case than Lufgt Huron would have been taken care of when he was a scout.

[Supreme Overlord]

Since when do Inquisitors all have spidey senses?

 

How would the Inquisition even know about these Astartes without the chapter going out of its way to give that information up. Inquisitors don't just wonder through the ranks of every chapter, and even if they did they have little to no authority there. Power hungry marines are for the chapter to notice and take care of, not other Imperial organizations. It becomes the business of the Inquisition once some Astartes turn traitor. If this wasn't the case than Lufgt Huron would have been taken care of when he was a scout.

 

True. I will bare that in mind when I write up the first draft.

[NightrawenII]

Inquisitors don't just wonder through the ranks of every chapter, and even if they did they have little to no authority there. Power hungry marines are for the chapter to notice and take care of, not other Imperial organizations.

Incorrect.

The Inqusition has jurisdiction over Astartes like over any other Imperial branch, including Admech. And "lesser" Chapters are under regular Inquisitorial scrutinity.

 

Yes, the Adeptae are self-policing organisations, but it doesn't meant the Inquisition don't poke their noses into their business.

[Supreme Overlord]

The Inqusition has jurisdiction over Astartes like over any other Imperial branch, including Admech. And "lesser" Chapters are under regular Inquisitorial scrutinity.

 

Yes, the Adeptae are self-policing organisations, but it doesn't meant the Inquisition don't poke their noses into their business.

 

So, would it be reasonable to say that the Inquisition have poked their noses into the Chapter at some stage, and they generally don;'t have a problem with them except for this slightly-paranoid-megalomaniac thing?

 

On another note, I think a good name for the Chapter is the Emperor's Paladins. The definition of Paladin is a warrior fighting for a cause, and this Chapter is fighting for a great cause--the ORIGINAL cause all Astartes once fought for.

[NightrawenII]

So, would it be reasonable to say that the Inquisition have poked their noses into the Chapter at some stage, and they generally don;'t have a problem with them except for this slightly-paranoid-megalomaniac thing?

To some degree, the megalomaniac and power-hunger is highly dangerous behaviour, especially for full chapter of the genetically-engineered killing-machines.

 

On another note, I think a good name for the Chapter is the Emperor's Paladins. The definition of Paladin is a warrior fighting for a cause, and this Chapter is fighting for a great cause--the ORIGINAL cause all Astartes once fought for.

It is similar to the Imperial Paladins, just saying.

[Nine_Breaker]

Conquerors would have been a fine name, honestly. Just about every other name out there has been used or there is something else very similar. Who knows how many Steel Dragon chapters and [insert color or element] Templars there are. The most important thing is the content, not really the name.

 

EDIT:: And also, NightrawenII, you are right that the Inquisition can and will stick its nose in just about any place it wants. But in the case of organizations like the Astartes or Mechanicus what they can actually do about what they don't like is limited. In the specific case of this chapter, the Inquisition probably wont even know about these over ambitious marines unless an Inquisitor spends a good amount of time with the chapter. And even if an agent does catch wind, what is he going to do about it? Waste a bunch of resources conducting an investigation on a chapter and find a few bad apples at best (and get turned away at worst)? An Astartes chapter can, if it wishes, be a huge political force. I never heard of chapters that haven't previously messed up in some big way to be under "regular Inquisitorial scrutiny", maybe there are cases I haven't heard about. However, I've certainly heard of Inquisitors being told to shove off or worse without any major actions taken afterwards.

 

To interfere with the work of the Emperor's greatest warriors, you had better have a real good reason.

[Supreme Overlord]

Conquerors would have been a fine name, honestly. Just about every other name out there has been used or there is something else very similar. Who knows how many Steel Dragon chapters and [insert color or element] Templars there are. The most important thing is the content, not really the name.

 

Yes, but its nice to have a cool name...

 

I do like the Conquerors as a name, but as pointed out by Nightrawen, theres already a Chapter called The Conquerors. Sure, its somone elses DIY, but I would prefer to have something original. And something that captures the Chapter's theme well. I have a cool idea (in my opinion :P ), I just need a cool name to go with it.

 

To some degree, the megalomaniac and power-hunger is highly dangerous behaviour, especially for full chapter of the genetically-engineered killing-machines.

 

Exactly. But as I said, this doesn't affect all of them, just a select few crazies. And then theres their impulsive need to hoarde weapons and technology on their ships. I don't want my Chapter being flawlessly perfect, do I? Every Chapter's IA I have read (except maybe the Ultramarines) has some sort of flaw, no matter how minor. I don't want this Chapter to be Ultra-perfect.

[Wolf Priest Haelaeif]

I like it.

 

I think the inquisition would leave them alone, though, unless they committed an actual act that is borderline or outright heresy - being power-hungry and having connections to the admech is not enough reason for the big I to intervene, methinks. But it is a good, interesting characteristic - it need not cause inquisitorial observation to be a "good flaw", imo.

 

I also like that technology hoarding bit. It makes them stand out, because while there are other chapters with ties to the admech, those do it for somewhat more mythological/religious reasons, and yours come across like just being nuts when it comes to equipment - which is cool.

 

Edit: and btw, why not just put a colour or other operater before "conquerors"?

[NightrawenII]

EDIT:: And also, NightrawenII, you are right that the Inquisition can and will stick its nose in just about any place it wants. But in the case of organizations like the Astartes or Mechanicus what they can actually do about what they don't like is limited. In the specific case of this chapter, the Inquisition probably wont even know about these over ambitious marines unless an Inquisitor spends a good amount of time with the chapter. And even if an agent does catch wind, what is he going to do about it? Waste a bunch of resources conducting an investigation on a chapter and find a few bad apples at best (and get turned away at worst)? An Astartes chapter can, if it wishes, be a huge political force. I never heard of chapters that haven't previously messed up in some big way to be under "regular Inquisitorial scrutiny", maybe there are cases I haven't heard about. However, I've certainly heard of Inquisitors being told to shove off or worse without any major actions taken afterwards.

 

To interfere with the work of the Emperor's greatest warriors, you had better have a real good reason.

- Well, he stated outright that The Inquisition sees what they call the “power hungry” element of some Conquerors as highly dangerous and something to keep a very close eye on, so argumenting whenever the Inquisition knows about this is rather moot.

- The Inquisitor can just walk over to nearby Chapter and tell them, "Hey lads. Do you know that your neighbour is doing some really nasty stuff?" And these marines will be like "What the frag?! Say again?!" and then poke their noses into your Chapter business. And if they find something wrong, they will keep smacking your Chapter over head until they will be back in the line. The Astartes are oversensitive, when it comes to honour and duty.

- The Rogue Sons article in the Index Astartes book says this. Also the Rites of Initiation (Index Astartes too) has inquisitor visiting a Silver Skulls Apothecarium, at the beginning he says (IIRC) "I'm here for the regular investigation of the gene-seed stock.". And considering the Apothecary takes this without flinch, I would say it's common procedure.

[Ace Debonair]

Conquerors would have been a fine name, honestly. Just about every other name out there has been used or there is something else very similar. Who knows how many Steel Dragon chapters and [insert color or element] Templars there are. The most important thing is the content, not really the name.

To your point; I've got a Steel Dragons chapter in the works.

I don't mind sharing the name if others don't mind me using it either. ;)

EDIT:

Edit: and btw, why not just put a colour or other operater before "conquerors"?

That's the route I'd take, too. :P

[Nine_Breaker]

Conquerors would have been a fine name, honestly. Just about every other name out there has been used or there is something else very similar. Who knows how many Steel Dragon chapters and [insert color or element] Templars there are. The most important thing is the content, not really the name.

To your point; I've got a Steel Dragons chapter in the works.

I don't mind sharing the name if others don't mind me using it either. :lol:

The Steel Dragons were actually the first IA I posted here on the B+C. Still somewhere in the deep, dark depths of this forum. I've seen at least four others since then. But by all means use the name, not like any of the other DIY's made it to fame or anything (probably for good reason).

[Ace Debonair]

The Steel Dragons were actually the first IA I posted here on the B+C. Still somewhere in the deep, dark depths of this forum. I've seen at least four others since then. But by all means use the name, not like any of the other DIY's made it to fame or anything (probably for good reason).

It's a good name. I'm sure there's a line about great minds tending to think the same way that I could use here. :lol:

 

The same could be easily said of the Conquerors. Good names get used and re-used. It's all part of the Liber Cycle. :to:

[Supreme Overlord]

and btw, why not just put a colour or other operater before "conquerors"?

 

That could work. My first draft is about halfway done, so hopefully I think of a cool name before I post my draft up here.