Did somebody pull a fast one?

[Niiai]

Hello, I played and I wonn. Hovever, it was a logan wing and my oponent meanth that when logan dies my wolf guards will become troops. I insisted that they did not do it, but he claimed lysander looses a rule that makes sternguard count as scoring.

 

Logan did not die, and it was a friendly argument. My question is: If logan dies, do my troops become elites? I think no.

 

This is the FAQ:

 

Q. Are Wolf Guard Packs genuine Troops

selections in the Force Organisation chart

instead of Elites when fielded in an army with

Logan Grimnar? If so, is this optional?

A. Yes, they count as Troops and take up Troops

Force Organisation Chart Selections. This is not

an optional choice, so you can have at most six

Wolf Guard Packs in an army with Logan Grimnar.

 

I would thing that they are still troops.

[Bulweih]

I'm with you on this brother!

They count as troops and remain that way even if the old wolf is out of the game(he doesn't die, just takes a nap ^_^ ).

[Niiai]

I can understand the reason for the argument on lysander, because that is in the character profile. But logan's rule is in the army byer. And you buy them as troops.

[Legatus]

What's worst is that if you already have too many Elite choices, or if you do not have two other Troops choices except for the Wolf Guard, then once Grimnar dies your army becomes illegal and you automatically lose the game.

 

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:) JK

 

No, if you take certain Characters into your army they might grant you certain new unit options or switch units from one Force organisation slot to another. That is now the way your army is constructed. Your army stays the same even if that Character should die at some point. For example, you may only include an Honour Guard in a Space Marine army if you include a Chapter Master (similar to how Wolf Guard become Troops in an army that includes Logan Grimnar). When the Chapter Master dies, you do not have to remove the Honour Guard.

 

Or a better example yet: Including a Captain allows you to also field a Command Squad. Putting your Captain on a Bike also allows you to use Bike squads as Troops instead of as Fast Attack. If that Captain dies, you neither have to remove the Command Squad from play, nor do your Bikes now revert to being a Fast Attack choice. You are still playing the army you constructed, which included a Captain. You do not have to remove units you needed to include the Captain to be allowed to use, and units you chose as Troops due to including a Captain do not switch back to Fast Attack, making your army retroactively illegal.

[NightrawenII]

Uhm, maybe I'm missing something, but Lysander doesn't make Stern's scoring. That's Kantor and the rule says, "If your army includes Kantor...", so it doesn't matter whether he is alive or dead.

[Spacefrisian]

To be honoust when i read the question i couldn't stop the urge to laugh at it. (i apologise if someone is offended).

 

As an answer i ask a question in return: When does a unit change its FoC possition during battle.

[Brother Nathan]

i would agree if it was bubble effect or some such but we dont got that...yet...

[S. Bloodhowl]

Yeah, iw ould say they stay troops, you have Logan in your list so his rules apply always.

 

Look at it this way, the rules state a legal army must include 1 HQ and 2 Troops, if you're HQ or Troops die and you end up with, say, 1 Troops choice and no HQ but 2 Elites and a Heavy Support, your army isn't illegal now. Unless the rules specifically state otherwise, it's what written in your army list that matters, not what's on the table (although that usually helps :to: )

[Grey Mage]

Theyre troops before the battle even starts. As soon as you write down Logan Grimnar on your list, theyre troops.

 

Your list is not suddenly illegal with 7 elite choices when he dies.