Niiai Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 My fellow wolf brothers I have had a vision. It was a vision put down by russ himself. And he sead: The heavy bolter is the new scatter laser. And Russ was so right! It has 3 shots at str 5, perfect for taking down land speeders, small units and to try to stun the dreaded vindicators. Russ told me this pice of advice when I ran 2 razorbacks emty off the long fangs. I played first a dark angel (a draw) and then crimson fist (a winn!) and the land speeder os so god for what you get at 40 points. I am at the point where I am considering 3 smaler long fang packs just so that I can get more razor backs, instead of the 2 I runn curently. I am also pretty shure a lasor back in reserves would be kind of sweet after the dust setteles and your oponent does not have so mutch ranged weaponds left! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanyPrawny Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I agree with this statement. I often run 5 heavy bolter razorbacks along side my grayhunters. Massed heavy bolter fire will take the bite out of any army and the cheapness of them is glorious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2585460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm Moonwolf Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I've used a Long Fangs Pack of 5 HB's in a Razor and every time I have used them they have never let me down. 155pts for 6 HB's, yes please. Just a great option to have IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2585470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dchmp Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 In my 2k list I run 3 LF packs; 2 packs with 4MLs and a LC then the 3rd with 5 HB. It been fairly effect so far with the missile covering APCs and the HB eating up foot troops. I also run at least 4 ZBs with TLLC. It takes nid and orcs off there game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2585606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Very under rated I run 2 PC and 3 HB coupled with 2 LC and 3 ML Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2586192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taeken Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Yes, I love the HB as well. I usually run 1 PC 1 ML 3 HB x2 And one unit of LF's all with HB's With the HB Razorbacks as points allow. Love that weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2586208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 The heavy bolter is a cool looking weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2586257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauk thunder-kraken Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 how many models can shoot out of a tank, dont have rules on me. eg, can my long fangs in dedicated raorback shoot while the tank moves, and if yes how many can shoot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2587858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm Moonwolf Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 No, there are no fire points on a razorback. A rhino has 2 fire points, well, 2 models can fire from the top hatch. Heavy weapons can't fire if they move, unless you put Logan Grimnar with them and make them relentless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2587875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 My fellow wolf brothers I have had a vision. It was a vision put down by russ himself. And he sead: The heavy bolter is the new scatter laser. And Russ was so right! It has 3 shots at str 5, perfect for taking down land speeders, small units and to try to stun the dreaded vindicators. Russ told me this pice of advice when I ran 2 razorbacks emty off the long fangs. I played first a dark angel (a draw) and then crimson fist (a winn!) and the land speeder os so god for what you get at 40 points. I am at the point where I am considering 3 smaler long fang packs just so that I can get more razor backs, instead of the 2 I runn curently. I am also pretty shure a lasor back in reserves would be kind of sweet after the dust setteles and your oponent does not have so mutch ranged weaponds left! Have you been using the Missile launcher and LasPlas on your Fangs and Razors? If yes, then fair enough. If not, give it a whirl, you might love it :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2587919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Im not as big a fan of the HB, as I find most of the infantry killing I need to get done is done by the GHs, and the antitank is better served by higher strength weapons. *shrugs* But thats me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2587951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphus Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Assuming you give the Squad Leader a flamer, a five-man heavy bolter squad equals 120 points. + 40 for a razorback. ...now imagine having three of these against a non-mech Ork list... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2588869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Assuming you give the Squad Leader a flamer, a five-man heavy bolter squad equals 120 points. + 40 for a razorback....now imagine having three of these against a non-mech Ork list... Well, they'll be scything them down like wheat in the harvest. -_- but is tailoring your list what you *really* want to be doing? Having a list that can fight *everyone* well is quite satisfying ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2588874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 If only there was a weapon Long Fangs could use that's good against armour and against infantry... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2588876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Nostromo Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 If only there was a weapon Long Fangs could use that's good against armour and against infantry... Missile launcher surely? I don't generally field heavy bolters as I just find other options more effective - they have performed ok, but they just lack the punch to deal with any unit type that can't already be handled by other choices/weapons in my army, notably the humble boltgun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2588877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 If only there was a weapon Long Fangs could use that's good against armour and against infantry... Missile launcher surely? I don't generally field heavy bolters as I just find other options more effective - they have performed ok, but they just lack the punch to deal with any unit type that can't already be handled by other choices/weapons in my army, notably the humble boltgun. Brave the heat, take Plasmacannons instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2588884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ven.Dread Greatclaw Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 In my curent allcomers list I always run two and a half razorback for my three infantry squads. :huh: The one I call a half razorback is a Rhino with doors open and Runepriest wih living lightning in the fire point! The other two I use with twin linked assaultcannons. I've been testing quite a bit and this is what suits me best. Sure they are expensive but their only drawback is their average range. You get 4 shots with reroll. High power and rending. This combination is amazing against both infantry and light vehicles. It's even useful against most vehicles and armour due to rending, but the special bonuses is the small but still existing chances of actually taking out AV13 and AV14. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2589078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Something I had fun playtesting was 3 land speeders with 2 HB each for 6 HBs and 18 shots. They usually got ignored for the first two turns. My tactic was to hit the transport with my long fangs then finish off the troops inside with bolter fire worked out pretty nicely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2589093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Nostromo Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 If only there was a weapon Long Fangs could use that's good against armour and against infantry... Missile launcher surely? I don't generally field heavy bolters as I just find other options more effective - they have performed ok, but they just lack the punch to deal with any unit type that can't already be handled by other choices/weapons in my army, notably the humble boltgun. Brave the heat, take Plasmacannons instead. Bravery doesn't help when you're covered in plasma... for 10(?) points more than a missile launcher and 12" less range? You keep them - I'd rather my steak be well done than my army :( Vrox: Interesting idea, but do you think that justified all that investment in the 3 speeders? Sounds like alot of points to me for just S5 weapons... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2589150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
breng77 Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 A bit of over reaction to good results here (IMHO). Is the Heavy bolter bad? Certainly not. Is it the new Scatter laser? Not at all. S 6 is far superior to S 5 . S5 cannot penetrate AV 11, wounds T 4 models on a 3+ instead of a 2+, and can't hurt anything AV 12 of above. Against a speeder (that did not move Flat out) A TL Heavy bolter, has about a 30% chance to destroy that speeder. If the speeder moved flat out the percent goes down to about 15% (even taking the speeder being easier to wreck). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2589166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Vrox: Interesting idea, but do you think that justified all that investment in the 3 speeders? Sounds like alot of points to me for just S5 weapons.. It is an option that for some lists will work pretty well, though 180 points is a bit high you are getting the mobility that long fangs can not offer. So no not for all lists and using speeders has a bit of a learning curve to overcome. However for those that love the HB, I suggest a playtest or two to see if it works for you as it did for me. Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2589267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 If only there was a weapon Long Fangs could use that's good against armour and against infantry... Missile launcher surely? I don't generally field heavy bolters as I just find other options more effective - they have performed ok, but they just lack the punch to deal with any unit type that can't already be handled by other choices/weapons in my army, notably the humble boltgun. Oh aye, I was just being facetious, sorry ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2589505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted December 14, 2010 Author Share Posted December 14, 2010 The humble razorback heavy bolter moastly get ignored. But when you shoot side armour with 11, or just smal whecils (like rhino) the fact that you have a high chanche of stunning them is just ace. And against the land speeders it is even better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2589560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentonius Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 I used a long fang squad with 5 heavy bolters yesterday, and also a squad with 5 missiles. Those heavy bolters are a nice and cheap replacement for my plasma cannons for smaller games or when you need to spare some points. For only 115 points you get a nice shooting unit, they killed enough marines and termies yesterday ( I wonna see this guys against orks or nids ) I just like more and more the firepower whe can offer with our wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/216748-the-heavy-bolter/#findComment-2590259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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