Colrouphobic Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 So I know this wont sit well with everyone, but I thought it only fair to ask anyway. I'm currently painting Lorgar. did I do that? Yes, the next primarch I'm painting is the big 17. And it's pre-heresy. First, let me explain "artistic liscence" as I understand it. Artistic liscence is basically an artists way of making something different from how it normally is viewed, in order to make it look "cool" or "better". Normally I dont work much with artistic liscence in mind, but this recent painting really got me worried. You see, in my research, I started reading "first heretic", to get an inside view on how Lorgar looks and behaves. This helps in making the image look better. So I was happy to read the descriptions, started sketching out a scene I want to display and suddenly realized- I gave him hair. Why, you might ask (as he is supposedly "clean shaven" on his scalp according to the book) did I do that? Well, I got stuck on a line outside of the actual descriptions of him- he looks very much like the emperor. In fact, the description is that he is uncannily similar in visage. In most images of the emperor, and quite some descriptions, he is depicted with semi-long hair, so I thought nothing more about it and sketched lorgar with hair. Normally this is no problem, I re-read the descriptions (like I just did), find my error and alter it. Problem is- it alters the entire mood of the painting. From displaying a sense of betrayed by his father, to enraged, spoiled brat. I'd perfer to not have the latter. So the question is- would you guys lynch me if I painted Lorgar with semi-long hair? It will make the image look so much better, but at the same time, I would want it to be something you guys would feel is okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shas'o R'Vre Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 So the question is- would you guys lynch me if I painted Lorgar with semi-long hair? Probably not... And I imagine that even the Primarchs would have changed their hairstyle from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Riorik Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Do him however you want to do him. Its your work your artistic freedom. If you think he looks better with hair then he would without then its probably because he does. And as the Dornian Heresy goes everyone knows artistic freedom and deviation from the norm can produce some truly stunning work ^_^! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razrhaghul Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 eh, it's difficult to say. people probably won't gripe too much, but then they tend to lack certain artistic talent [that's not supposed to sound as elitist as it does]... but it also depends how much you want to really adhere to canon fluff, after all the HH artbooks had some fantastic scenes in them, but conflicted with what was written at the time: like Magnus with 2 eyes but one was scared over, or the confrontation between the Emperor and Horus having those black-armored custodies perhaps it's a ceremonial wig he wears, or he shaved and inscribed his scalp later If you was a canonical commission, then maybe you'd have to nip creativity to adhere to what clients want, but if it's just for fun, go for it. can't win over all the people all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkApostle Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Well, as long as you remember that his skin is golden I personally see no problem with it. HOWEVER, I can clearly see where some would sayers come from if they nit-pick on it as Lorgar WAS brought up in a chapel/monastery and I have a hard time not thinking he would keep his head shaved as I perceive as rule rather than exception within such gatherings. And that he wouldn't keep that tradition even after the Emperor and Magnus came and brought him into the Imperium. TDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Hand Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I guess I'm cool with it. I mean, it's not the biggest divergence ever, and it draws parallels with the Big E himself, so I'm in favour of you sketching it as you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supreme Overlord Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 You're the artist, do as you wish. I think Lorgar isn't Lorgar without a shaven head, but if that will make him look like a douche then long hair would be preferable IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Hell man, go with the head of hair. Artistic licence is enough of a reason, but everything else you've read is just extra reasons. Personally, I love what you did with Sanguinius, and can't wait to see what your Lorgar looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huffstarBaallocks Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 So I know this wont sit well with everyone, but I thought it only fair to ask anyway. I'm currently painting Lorgar. did I do that? Yes, the next primarch I'm painting is the big 17. And it's pre-heresy. First, let me explain "artistic liscence" as I understand it. Artistic liscence is basically an artists way of making something different from how it normally is viewed, in order to make it look "cool" or "better". Normally I dont work much with artistic liscence in mind, but this recent painting really got me worried. You see, in my research, I started reading "first heretic", to get an inside view on how Lorgar looks and behaves. This helps in making the image look better. So I was happy to read the descriptions, started sketching out a scene I want to display and suddenly realized- I gave him hair. Why, you might ask (as he is supposedly "clean shaven" on his scalp according to the book) did I do that? Well, I got stuck on a line outside of the actual descriptions of him- he looks very much like the emperor. In fact, the description is that he is uncannily similar in visage. In most images of the emperor, and quite some descriptions, he is depicted with semi-long hair, so I thought nothing more about it and sketched lorgar with hair. Normally this is no problem, I re-read the descriptions (like I just did), find my error and alter it. Problem is- it alters the entire mood of the painting. From displaying a sense of betrayed by his father, to enraged, spoiled brat. I'd perfer to not have the latter. So the question is- would you guys lynch me if I painted Lorgar with semi-long hair? It will make the image look so much better, but at the same time, I would want it to be something you guys would feel is okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huffstarBaallocks Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 I've also read The First Heretic, and given that he is described as the Primarch that bears the greatest resemblence to his Father, I say sod it! As long as its still clear as to who the painting intends to portray, I don't see anything wrong with a nice mullet or combover!!! ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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