Gentlemanloser Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 As per the topic, this question came up tonight. From checking in the BRB it seems that stunned Walkers can charge (and initiate a CC) in the assault phase (as Stunned only mentions movement and shooting, and the walker section mentions Walkers are treated as infantry for Assaults), even if it feels like they shouldn't be able to. But I'd like a second opinion! :thanks: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217033-stunned-walkers-and-assaults/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 No. If the walker is stunned it can't move, to assault you need to be able to move into base contact. It's that simple really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217033-stunned-walkers-and-assaults/#findComment-2587735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techmarine Data007 Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Hence the awesome utility of extra armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217033-stunned-walkers-and-assaults/#findComment-2587753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted December 13, 2010 Author Share Posted December 13, 2010 No.If the walker is stunned it can't move, to assault you need to be able to move into base contact. It's that simple really. All stunned mentions is that the vehicle cannot move in it's next movment phase, and can't shoot in it's next shooting phase. The 'Assault' move doesn't happen in the Movement phase, so Stunned shouldn't effect it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217033-stunned-walkers-and-assaults/#findComment-2587945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 No.If the walker is stunned it can't move, to assault you need to be able to move into base contact. It's that simple really. All stunned mentions is that the vehicle cannot move in it's next movment phase, and can't shoot in it's next shooting phase. The 'Assault' move doesn't happen in the Movement phase, so Stunned shouldn't effect it. Sadly, thats not what stunned says at all. "The vehicle may not move or shoot until the end of its next play turn." It mentions not one thing about phases, the dread really just cant move at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217033-stunned-walkers-and-assaults/#findComment-2587949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted December 13, 2010 Author Share Posted December 13, 2010 Ah, old edition memory creeping in there. I suppose then it all boils down to whether the Assault Move is classed as movement (which it should be), which makes sense. As said, I didn't think Walkers should be allowed to do that, but over the table couldn't find an exact rule to question it. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217033-stunned-walkers-and-assaults/#findComment-2587954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 can an immobilised walker charge? Of course not. So charging must count as movement. So stunned results would also stop it charging. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217033-stunned-walkers-and-assaults/#findComment-2587982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Ah, old edition memory creeping in there. I suppose then it all boils down to whether the Assault Move is classed as movement (which it should be), which makes sense. As said, I didn't think Walkers should be allowed to do that, but over the table couldn't find an exact rule to question it. ;) That realy shouldnt be a question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217033-stunned-walkers-and-assaults/#findComment-2587994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan VK Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Ah, old edition memory creeping in there. I suppose then it all boils down to whether the Assault Move is classed as movement (which it should be), which makes sense. As said, I didn't think Walkers should be allowed to do that, but over the table couldn't find an exact rule to question it. :D That realy shouldnt be a question. I concur. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217033-stunned-walkers-and-assaults/#findComment-2588388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rat of vengence Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Ah, old edition memory creeping in there. I suppose then it all boils down to whether the Assault Move is classed as movement (which it should be), which makes sense. As said, I didn't think Walkers should be allowed to do that, but over the table couldn't find an exact rule to question it. :) Out of interest, was it you or your opponent trying this one on? RoV Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217033-stunned-walkers-and-assaults/#findComment-2588532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isiah Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Not sure why that matters RoV. The rule issue has been sorted out. 'Tis the only reason the OR exists :). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217033-stunned-walkers-and-assaults/#findComment-2588535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted December 13, 2010 Author Share Posted December 13, 2010 It was one of my dreads (that didn't have EA! :)), but we weren't pullign anything. Originally the Dread didn't Assault (it was set up to and got a lucky stun), but the group raised the question on whether it should be able to. It was only a quick check over the rules, to not slow the game down, and we didn't want to dice off. The group allowed the Dread to assault, so I did. But it wasn't a comfortable decision. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217033-stunned-walkers-and-assaults/#findComment-2588544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Personally I reckon that missing movement and shooting would allow it enough time to collect it's thoughts enough to bash the crap out of that thing 6 inches away. I have never come across the issue, my EA costs 5 points :) And I'm usually doing the charging anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217033-stunned-walkers-and-assaults/#findComment-2588735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rat of vengence Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Not sure why that matters RoV. The rule issue has been sorted out. 'Tis the only reason the OR exists :yes:. Like I said, it was out of interest. The answer does fit with a lot of the rules questions/opinions he has had :) RoV Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217033-stunned-walkers-and-assaults/#findComment-2588767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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