Space Wolf Codex/Space Marine Codex question

[Agahmath]

Hello out there. New player putting together a Space Wolf army, and have a question conserning compatibility with the SW codex and the SM codex.

 

My problem derives from wanting to make a Wolf Lord with a relic blade, but it is not in the Space Wolf codex. I realize I could just go ahead and do it, but I enjoy making fluffy/loreful characters... that can also be used in tournys, and be legal.

 

So, is a Wolf Lord wielding a Relic Blade (for the prescribed 30 pts in the Space Marine Codex) legal?

 

Thank all of you veterans for your time.

[Token]

No, Space Wolves dont have relic blades.

 

edit: is it dont or doesnt?

[littlbitz]

You do however have access to a Frost Blade

[Sarapham]

The new Space Wolf codex is a stand alone codex and therefore cannot be mixed with the SM codex in any way "legally". For friendly games you can do whatever you wish of course as long as every one is go.

[Agahmath]

Ahhhh, thank you. I was wondering if/how the crossover would work.

 

Most appreciated!

[Sarapham]

No, Space Wolves dont have relic blades.

 

edit: is it dont or doesnt?

 

 

Don´t , Plural ;P

[Loki-LaughingDeath]

A Wolf Lord does not have access to a Relic Blade and the Space Wolves do not make them! Even though they seem like something we would use...

 

That is something that I am very confused by, there are some things that a regular marine chapter has access to but not the wolves even though it would be more in character for us. Relic Blades for instance, what else SCREAMS BERSERKER (I do mean NORSE Berserker) like a giant 2 handed double bladed axe? Are we granted such a boon? Nope! COMBAT SHIELDS OH! MY! GOD! I have thought of several very wicked conversions for my blood claws wolf guard that use combat shields, once again we are DENIED!! Dreadnoughts, Venerable Dreadnoughts and Iron Clads, please don't get me started, we have Bjorn, one of the coolest characters in the game and his sculpt to be honest it very outdated....but we have some of the oldest and most revered dreads in the Imperium, you think that these guys are gonna stand there and say, no it's okay we don't mind being used for fire support. While the body might be broke the spirit remains and I doubt that their thirst for getting up close and personal has changed.... So why don't we have the Iron Clad pattern?

 

Then there are other little things that I don't think the Wolves should have access to however. First off Jump Packs, our Primarch did not approve of them then so why do we have them now?

 

There are some other things but I have realized that I am ranting so I think it's time to end this little saga.

[CainTheHunter]

A Wolf Lord does not have access to a Relic Blade and the Space Wolves do not make them! Even though they seem like something we would use...

 

That is something that I am very confused by, there are some things that a regular marine chapter has access to but not the wolves even though it would be more in character for us. Relic Blades for instance, what else SCREAMS BERSERKER (I do mean NORSE Berserker) like a giant 2 handed double bladed axe? Are we granted such a boon? Nope! COMBAT SHIELDS OH! MY! GOD! I have thought of several very wicked conversions for my blood claws wolf guard that use combat shields, once again we are DENIED!! Dreadnoughts, Venerable Dreadnoughts and Iron Clads, please don't get me started, we have Bjorn, one of the coolest characters in the game and his sculpt to be honest it very outdated....but we have some of the oldest and most revered dreads in the Imperium, you think that these guys are gonna stand there and say, no it's okay we don't mind being used for fire support. While the body might be broke the spirit remains and I doubt that their thirst for getting up close and personal has changed.... So why don't we have the Iron Clad pattern?

 

Then there are other little things that I don't think the Wolves should have access to however. First off Jump Packs, our Primarch did not approve of them then so why do we have them now?

 

There are some other things but I have realized that I am ranting so I think it's time to end this little saga.

 

Actually, noone gets combat shields these days - except Dark Angels and Templars, perhaps. And stop ranting - we get Thunderwolves, Frostblades and cool psychic powers instead :unsure:

[nurglez]

blood angels get combat shields :unsure:

[CainTheHunter]

blood angels get combat shields :)

 

Blood Angels don't count, cause they get everything. That's their Chapter Trait :lol:

[Loki-LaughingDeath]

There was a question about the way our Psykers express their powers? I never once suspected that would be in doubt. As to the Thunderwolves..... they just might be a little bit over the top.

 

Blood Angels need all the help that they can get.

[Wolf Lord Hallbjorn]

At times I look at the codex:SM and feel a bit of envy about some things, but at the same time I'm glad that we have our own codex and that it's different. We gained some things and lost others when you compare the two, but that's how it should be. At least we didn't end up like the Blood Angels...

[Loki-LaughingDeath]

Above the belt please, after all they did manage to remain loyal.

 

I really don't know about some of the toys that the Codex chapters get to have.... some of them seem a little strange. I guess I am just missing the flavor that the Index Astartes brought to the mainstream chapters.

[MaveriK]

A Wolf Lord does not have access to a Relic Blade and the Space Wolves do not make them! Even though they seem like something we would use...

 

That is something that I am very confused by, there are some things that a regular marine chapter has access to but not the wolves even though it would be more in character for us. Relic Blades for instance, what else SCREAMS BERSERKER (I do mean NORSE Berserker) like a giant 2 handed double bladed axe? Are we granted such a boon? Nope! COMBAT SHIELDS OH! MY! GOD! I have thought of several very wicked conversions for my blood claws wolf guard that use combat shields, once again we are DENIED!! Dreadnoughts, Venerable Dreadnoughts and Iron Clads, please don't get me started, we have Bjorn, one of the coolest characters in the game and his sculpt to be honest it very outdated....but we have some of the oldest and most revered dreads in the Imperium, you think that these guys are gonna stand there and say, no it's okay we don't mind being used for fire support. While the body might be broke the spirit remains and I doubt that their thirst for getting up close and personal has changed.... So why don't we have the Iron Clad pattern?

 

Then there are other little things that I don't think the Wolves should have access to however. First off Jump Packs, our Primarch did not approve of them then so why do we have them now?

 

There are some other things but I have realized that I am ranting so I think it's time to end this little saga.

 

REAL men need not wield 2 handed Relic Blades, it takes a true warrior to need but one hand for a blade *Frost Blade* and the other to hold a tankard of ale or boltgun to rain hell on our enemies. Sure relic blades are a stronger weapon compaired to our frost blades, but we are the sons of Russ! we need not rely on the strength from a weapon, we are the weapon. The emperor made it so, for we are the Vlka Fenryka!!!

 

be grateful of what we have, we waited many years to get this new codex! all the shiny toys in C:SM are nice and all, but that's all they are.. TOYS. I'm just gonna sum up with this quote. "Space Wolves are badasses that operate just barely within the rules. 13th Co. didn't even know there were rules applying to how badass they could be." - DepthCharge on the Space Wolves. Having said all that, other Astartes can bling up their army with toys and tech to look cool. The warriors of Fenris, need no toys cause they are cool.

[Ranwulf]

I would rather take a Frostblade than a Relic blade, mostly because, against most marines, 1 extra attack is better for me.

 

So, here where you stands:

 

Do you want your hero(yes, hero, that's what your HQ is) have a giant sword that he wield with both hands? That way, you don't get an extra attack, but get 2+ Str.

 

Do you want a hero that fights with far more speed, making more attacks(ok, 1, but still is more than enough) and +1 Str? Go with frostblade.

 

Now, in my opinion, between a Captain and a Wolf Lord, I would get the Wolf Lord. Mostly because I can get Sagas, Thunderwolves, and if I feel like it, use a frostblade character like Ragnar Blackmane. BUT, if you get a Bike Captain...YOU GET THEM AS TROOPS.

 

To tell you the truth, Space Marines Codex and Space Wolves Codex are both good for creating and using interesting HQs, but I feel that to create a "Hero", I would go with Space Wolves(specially because of the Sagas, and the Wolftooth Neclace, that makes it easier to hit).

 

So it's up to you. Captains are not as "Heroics" like "Wolf Lords", but they are good to create a strong force.

 

One thing tough...why don't you use the Two Handed Axe from the Space Wolves Battleforce? You can count as a Frostblade, or like a Relicblade!

 

Ran

[Brother Captain Kezef]

If a relic blade is the only price I have to pay to create my own personal HQ choice with eternal warrior, then i shall gladly pay it.

[Wispy]

We don't get relic blades, we have Frost Blades. It's 1 less strength, but our wolf lords get to make two extra attacks that a Captain with a Relic Blade won't get to make (+1 for being better at hitting things, +1 for a bolt pistol). Combined with the ever reliable wolf tooth necklace, sagas, and thunderwolf mounts, our Wolf Lords manage without the extra +1 strength pretty well.