FallenLion Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 this is the only world that i can find that the Space Wolves recruit from this is strange no? all of the chapter relying on one world, unlikely that it will be attacked or taken but still not very safe is it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORKILL Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 It's safe enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 The Fang has never fallen. The Space Wolves look out for other worlds in the sector but they can only recruit from Fenris due to some incident, intentional or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-LaughingDeath Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 I do not recall reading anything about the Wolves being unable to recruit from other planets, we choose to recruit only from Fenris out of respect for our Primarch, after all it is the world he landed on and grew up in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 ...and it has been attacked on at least a few occasions. The most recent description (from the Black Library) was in the Ragnar Saga - First Onmibus. However, the first recorded attack goes way back and will be arriving next summer: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...amp;hl=the+fang There are other planets and moons within the Fenris Planetary system. Fenris is the Homeworld of the Space Wolves: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Fenris http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fenris There is much in the way of information to be found. Assumptions and conclusions from such can tend to lead in a bad direction. Is it safe? Well WHAT in the 41st Milenium that you have read anything about IS? Purely a subjective matter if that is what you wish to discuss. The Space Wolves have no successor Chapters and so the "need" for massive recruitment from numerous worlds is somewhat moot. Besides, we Sons of Russ like to do things our own way, just sayin'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Indeed, Space Marines in general are given perspfic recuiting grounds and cannot recuit from anywhere else otherwise it would draw negative attention. Even though space wolves care not for those sort of things but they do it out of honour of their primarch, if Fenius was good enough for him, it's good enough for them. That being said lost companys may do it out of nessiary, but again a lost company going around recuiting from imperial planets would draw attention. Though commication is so slow that by the time they got wind of it, the lost company may be long gone and as far as outsiders are concerned, there is no distiniction between a lost company and an offical great company. Though most will probably die out unless spilt off by distance since the great wolf would probably say "Fine, but I want my Rune/Iron/Wolf Priests back before you go." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taeken Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 I thought it also has something to do with the Fenrisian genetic make up being the only humans that can accept the standard implants as well as the Canis Helix. Yes? No? Is my memory faulty? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 I thought it also has something to do with the Fenrisian genetic make up being the only humans that can accept the standard implants as well as the Canis Helix. Yes? No? Is my memory faulty? As far as I'm aware. The Fang is also one of the most secure fortresses in the whole of the Imperium. The Fang is the greatest fortress constructed since the fortifications of Terra. It is so big as to pierce the atmosphere of Fenris, providing a docking point to space ships and allowing quick access to the surface without having to use sub-orbital transport. It is clad in immensely thick armour and is protected by void shields stronger than those even on the mightiest of the Imperial warships. Shafts have been cut into the moutainside concealing vast laser batteries capable of blasting the biggest ships in the galaxy. These weapons are as old as the Chapter itself, a testament to the reliability of the level of technology produced during the Great Crusade. Also, the thermal reactors powering the weapons and shields are of that age, wondrous though it is to think they still actually work. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 I thought it also has something to do with the Fenrisian genetic make up being the only humans that can accept the standard implants as well as the Canis Helix. Yes? No? Is my memory faulty? Nothing that directly states that to my memory, the univerce of 40K is only filled by war, myths, half truths and full lies and filthy Xero and loyalist fighting loyalists. XD Just mostly (if at all) they don't recuit outside their planet. Though, the helix turning the intaker into a crazy wolfen means that the experience may be less suitable for recuiting elsewhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenLion Posted December 14, 2010 Author Share Posted December 14, 2010 I agree that the Fang is one of the most secure places in the 41st millennium its just every other chapter I think of uses more than one planet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 I agree that the Fang is one of the most secure places in the 41st millennium its just every other chapter I think of uses more than one planet We need but one, while others need more. Fenris breeds only real men, hardened warriors, and true heroes. Nuff said! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphus Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 It's a mixture of things. Pride in where the SW come from keeps them recruiting from Fenris, as does the naturally hardened population suit what is looked for in a Space Marine. The Spartans were all raised fighting fit for war, the Fenrisians are raised in a similar fashion. If a child was weak it would be removed from the people to ensure only the strongest survived. Also Space Wolves have never been a large chapter so they would not need to recruit so vigorously. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenLion Posted December 15, 2010 Author Share Posted December 15, 2010 It's a mixture of things. Pride in where the SW come from keeps them recruiting from Fenris, as does the naturally hardened population suit what is looked for in a Space Marine. The Spartans were all raised fighting fit for war, the Fenrisians are raised in a similar fashion. If a child was weak it would be removed from the people to ensure only the strongest survived.Also Space Wolves have never been a large chapter so they would not need to recruit so vigorously. large chapter? they are a bit larger than standard size aren't they 1.4k strong - give or take a few which is 400 more than they are meant to have Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 I agree that the Fang is one of the most secure places in the 41st millennium its just every other chapter I think of uses more than one planet I'm pretty sure most chapters recruit from one planet, with exceptions like fleet-based chapters such as the Templars or Fists. The White Scars recruit from one world, same with the Iron Hands, the Blood Angels, etc, etc. Then there are chapters who have a homeworld but recruit from another world. Like the Crimson Fists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlee Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Fenris is the only world the Space Wolves recruit from because native Fenrisians are the only people strong enough to accept the Canis Helix. A long time ago they tried recruiting from other worlds and it was a disaster. All of the recruits for the wolf brothers went mad and fell victim to the wulfen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 I agree that the Fang is one of the most secure places in the 41st millennium its just every other chapter I think of uses more than one planet The Dark Angels in the past only recruited from one planet (I think) until it suffered a Genestealer infestation and they decided the practise was not safe anymore. If we have 1,000 space marine chapters I'm sure we would find a number who recruit from one world, others who will recruit from a specific area of space or a number of specific planets and then you will have those like the Black Templars who will recruit from anywhere. I think should be noted about Fenris is that I would think being a Death World it will have a pretty small population (compared to many other planets), now obviously you have to be tough to survive (which is good for space marine recruits) but if you also need certain genes then it is surprising they find enough people. Personally I don't think the genes are that important... just no one in the imperium knows what they were doing... when the Big E was around they seemed to be able to turn almost anyone who was young enough into a marine... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 A long time ago they tried recruiting from other worlds and it was a disaster. All of the recruits for the wolf brothers went mad and fell victim to the wulfen. You, sir, are asking for trouble :lol:. Now let the fluff keepers enter and explain You how wrong are Your assumptions regarding Wolf Brothers and their actual fate (according to canon). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2589867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlee Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Ok so what did happen to the Wolf Brothers then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2590105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlee Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 Well Cain I just looked up as much as I could find about the Wolf Brothers and there seems to be a lot of debate on the issue. What is your take on them anyway? I think you could find info everywhere from WD to old codices to back up a number of perspectives on them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2590153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Well Cain I just looked up as much as I could find about the Wolf Brothers and there seems to be a lot of debate on the issue. What is your take on them anyway? I think you could find info everywhere from WD to old codices to back up a number of perspectives on them. The most accepted (as it comes from GW themselves - the source is an old WD) is that they were lost after chasing Eldar into the Webway. Nothing is mentioned about any gene-seed instability and excessive mark of Wulfen. Frankly, I don't even know where do the other theories come from - those about "ill-fated Wolf Brothers", which are very popular, btw. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2590809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 There is no reason that they could not recruit from other locations given that the VI Legion was originally founded on Terra with Terrans Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2591047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 As stated, there are many Chapters, especially First Founding Chapters, that recruit only from a single world. This is largely due to nothing more than tradition, convenience, or the Primarch's preference from millennia past. For the Space Wolves specifically the reason is probably a combination of each of these. Importantly the "culture" of the Space Wolves is inextricably linked to that of the Fenrisian natives. An off-planet recruit would have a hard time adjusting to their social norms and values. Fenris is a death world which breeds the right type of hardy youth to become candidates; the process works, has always worked, and there is no cause for the Wolves to change things. There is absolutely nothing, anywhere, in the canon fluff that states the Space Wolves cannot recruit from elsewhere; they just simply choose not to. In fact, in an article on Lost Companies in White Dwarf 244, GW states explicitly that Lost Companies may be forced to recruit from whatever worlds are accessible in order to ensure long term survival. Lastly, and Cain has already stated this, only 1 source in canon fluff, the IA article on the 13th Company in White Dwarf 283 mentions Wolf Brothers and genetic instability. However, the article does not present this as conclusive, and is about the 13th GC, which did completely suffer from the Curse of the Wulfen, and were also sometimes called the Wolf Brothers well prior to the Second Founding. The answer to what happened to the Wolf Brothers successor Chapter is largely answered in White Dwarf 244, which states more directly that the "ill-fated Chapter" was lost chasing a fleeing Eldar host into the webway. So, we don't know 100% for sure about their fate, as GW prefers to keep much of the background material mysterious; this keeps the game interesting, so I'm okay with that. However, we have stronger evidence for one alternative than we have for the other. There is nothing in the fluff that indicates that recruiting from other worlds cannot be done. Regards, Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2591616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 I agree that the Fang is one of the most secure places in the 41st millennium its just every other chapter I think of uses more than one planet Baal- only place the BA recruit from. And their successors, the flesh tearers have Cretacia. Chogoris *SP?* is the only place the white scars recruits from. The Iron Hands have a single world they recruit from... etc etc. Its not uncommon to have only one world. Then throw down the wolves rather particular cultural background, the fortress of the Fang, and the nature of the final test for each initiate and it would be difficult, if not impossible, to replicate these anywhere else. Lastly- have you seen where fenris is? Its in the middle of nowhere, literally, out in the void between two spiral arms of our galaxy. Planets arent going to be hugely common in the area, and with a thriving if feral population theres no need to go to the trouble of shipping someone from half way accross the segmentum- plenty of other, closer, chapters would love those recruits anyways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2591730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Validar Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 I agree that the Fang is one of the most secure places in the 41st millennium its just every other chapter I think of uses more than one planet We need but one, while others need more. Fenris breeds only real men, hardened warriors, and true heroes. Nuff said! Actually, there is more merit to this than at first glance. Recruitment happends on the base of those who can complete a full space marine training (which takes quite a man in itself), but also who can connect with the Chapter's geneseed. Those who can connect with the wolves' geneseed would need to be hardened warriors, ideally as close to Russ himself as possible - relentless, strong and capable. That is why *some* of us recruit from different worlds, we simply can't find enough people who fit the chapter geneseed. Possibly because we don't have a homeworld. Possibly because *someone* destroyed it. Who knows? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2591999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 As has been said...there is no canon that dictates that the Sons of Russ COULD NOT recruit from other worlds...no fluff, no story line, no mention of it...in any text... so YES it IS possible...however... IT IS VERY UNLIKELY...as the Fenrisian population would form a steady and strong if not well suited recruiting stock for the lads... And then of course the whole cultural viability thing comes into play as we are Space Faring vikings...albeit werewolf vikings...unless there were another world out of billions...(which I'm sure there are likely to be) with the same viability and global familiarities as Fenris...what would be the necessity of it? We have a world of millions who are perfectly suited to not only our way of life but a familiar genetic compilation which the gene seed already adheres to...why screw with perfection? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217144-is-fenris-the-only-world-the-sw-recruit-from/#findComment-2592126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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