turning kroot into an inquisitor?

[Cretheus]

after reading conquest of armageddon again to refuel my love for the black templar, i decided that i wanted to put together a new inquisitor army but using the xenos mercanaries first off the kroot i have the kroot shaper model an just thought if any of you guys had any decent ideas? this being the gifted b&c an all!

 

Cretheus

[Hellios]

after reading conquest of armageddon again to refuel my love for the black templar, i decided that i wanted to put together a new inquisitor army but using the xenos mercanaries first off the kroot i have the kroot shaper model an just thought if any of you guys had any decent ideas? this being the gifted b&c an all!

 

Cretheus

 

Do you mean a kroot as an inquisitor or in the army? Fluffwise I don't think a Xenos could become an -][- however I've played an alien hunter army that uses alien mercs (get the aliens to kill each other for you). You can use odd models as henchmen of various sorts or assassins.

[Roesor]

Aliens can be part of a retinue for an Inquisitor but never one themselves.

Closest i got to this was turning a kroot rifle into an inferno pistol.

[Cretheus]

have you read conquest of armageddon? well there is an imperila guard kill team and the inquisition send a kroot tracker who has an inquisitorial rossette

[Chengar Qordath]

Aliens can be part of a retinue for an Inquisitor but never one themselves.

This. Needless to say, the difference power and authority between a member of an Inquisitor's retinue and the Inquisitor is gigantic. Also, it bears mentioning that from what I've read in the fluff having a xeno in their retinue is usually enough to have an Inquisitor classified as a Radical. Furthermore, it is incredibly rare for such xenos to operate on their own since having a couple human retinue members around them is the best way to avoid problems.

[Batface the Hat]

Black Library books have a tendency to ignore the Canon materials in favor of Kewl Creativity. The books they put out make a pretty bad precident for saying something is possible. The Imperium as a whole is extremely Xenophobic, and any Xenos claiming to be of the Inquisition would likely be met with outright hostility, if it even lived that long.

 

Overall, if you wanted to use the Inquisitor Lord/Elite Choice rules to run a "Kroot Merc" band, working underneath an Inquisitor, or you wanted to use the Kroot to be enslaved, or otherwised coerced to work for the Inquisitor, I could totally see that. But getting any, ANY Imperial Army to listen to, or follow orders from a Xenos, is extremely unlikely.

 

-the Hat

[GooseDaMoose]

I thought the Black Library books were there to expand existing canon to make it more detailed and immersive. If we can't base our fluff on the books and only on Codices then it makes for a very dull game indeed.

[Batface the Hat]

While in theory that works, they do take an awful lot of creative liberties. Terminators in Razorbacks, space marines with Multilasers, Xenos and Deathwatch working together. All in all, there are people who love the books and write up armies for them, and thats wonderful. However, while they do make nice reads, lots of what they do put in does fly in the face of what we know as Existing Canon, and not in a "We're advancing this story" way, more of a "We're ignoring the written and known way these things work and remaking it to what we like" way.

 

It might be more understandable, and more interesting if the authors and the company worked harder together. As it stands, one author writes about something one way, one says it works another way, and another author says it does something else, and the existing 20-or-so-year material has it doing something completely different than any of those.

This is where Xenos Inquisitors come in, to purge the other Xenos from mankinds star systems, in the name of the God-Emperor of Man, in this particular case.

 

As much as I'd like to see the material expanded upon, it would be very good to see it done in a more unified way, with the teams working together.

 

-the Hat

[Chengar Qordath]

As much as I'd like to see the material expanded upon, it would be very good to see it done in a more unified way, with the teams working together.

This is why the Horus Heresy series, which is a coordinated team effort, is usually classed as a much more canonical than the rest of the Black Library books (alongside the fact that it doesn't have nearly as much established canon to potentially conflict with in the first place).

 

To be fair, outside of blatant cases where the author just did not do any research or make more than a token effort to match the established facts of the setting (such as multi-laser wielding Space Marines who have sexual tension with Eldar) the standards for what qualifies a Black Library book as canon can be pretty subjective.

[Kaled100]

well there is an imperila guard kill team and the inquisition send a kroot tracker who has an inquisitorial rosette

I haven't read the book but presumably the rosette doesn't signify he's an Inquisitor, surely it signifies he's a trusted agent of a (presumably radical, although not necessarily heretical) Inquisitor. The kroot is a 'sanctioned' alien - one who an Inquisitor protects using his authority and uses as a tool.

[chaplainmeliadus]

To be fair, outside of blatant cases where the author just did not do any research or make more than a token effort to match the established facts of the setting (such as multi-laser wielding Space Marines who have sexual tension with Eldar)

 

Seriously?

[Eddie Orlock]

The multi-laser wielding isn't too bad, at least the lasers are Imperial tech, and there is historical precident for half-eldar librarians. It's been fluffed that the powercells are interchangeable between lascannons and multilasers, it probably wouldn't be too hard to devise a marine portable version.

[JaqTaar]

Wasn't the multilaser-thing explained with the strained resources of the Mantis Warriors? What with them being on a penance crusade and other Imperial forces unwilling to provide support.

[Stormshrug]

It's a big galaxy, and weird stuff happens.

 

That said, I'd be surprised to see a Kroot make full Inquisitor. A Necron Lord did it once, apparently, but nobody knew that it wasn't human.

 

-Stormshrug

[Cretheus]

ok i think maybe a hentchman or an assassin is the best bet, any thoughts? need some ideas for modelling as to make it more........ inquisitorial aswell.

[Captain Malachi]

Kroot are mercenaries to start with, you really don't have to do anything to make it fit better. Having said that, personalising it a bit to make it stand out more wouldn't be a bad idea. Could make a decent warrior type henchman for a radical inquisitor.

[BOBMAKENZIE]

Now as I understand it Inquisitor Czevak spent years amongst the eldar and harlequins and everyone just sorta thinks hes a cool guy. Is it possible that the Ordos Xenos works abit differently?

[Kaled100]

I'm sure Czevak is regarded as radical by many of his peers for associating with xenos, but then there are a great many radicals who are held in high regard within the Inquisition. For example, the Xanthites are one of the oldest and best established factions, and the Horusians are said to have some of the most proficient and respected daemon hunters within their ranks. A minority of Czevak's peers may see him as having crossed the line into heresy, but he's too influential and well respected for anyone to seriously contemplate taking a carta out against him.

 

40K takes a very black and white view of puritan / radical for the purposes of game mechanics (especially in the Daemonhunters codex), but there's no reason that a puritan (in army list terms) Inquistor couldn't represent a radical Inquisitor with a Kroot mercenary working for him.

[Inquisitor Fox]

Likewise Thorians are regarded as puritanical by the masses, however they are much more focused on daemon hunting, but don't care one way or the other as a general rule about working with or fighting Xenos. If it means assistance against a dangerous warp entity they'd work with Harlequins without seriously blinking as an example. There are many shades of grey in the Inquisition, similarly to there being many shades of each political party or association in the real world.

 

Alright, that's enough politics discussion, no one go into any depth of my example :D

 

There is no clear "if X than Y" when dealing with the Inquisition, or what faction people are in, or whether a certain belief makes them entirely a radical or puritan or traitor. If someone considers themselves a puritan, but some of their peers consider them a radical, and a handful of people consider them a traitor, then what are they? An Inquisitor in service of the Emperor :)

[Aegnor]

Wouldnt it look cooler and make your Inquisitor more of a characterful bad-ass to model some kind of 'borg chip on the kroot's head to represent that the Inquisitor has captured him and enslaved him - he'd consider the kroot the same way you or I might consider a hound for hunting. You could put some kind of seal on him as well which would (fluffwise) say "this xenos is the property of the Holy Ordos, do not harm or hinder it".

 

Like a zone implant in Donaldson's Gap series.

[bertboxer]

much of my inquisitor's retinue is xeno actually

 

eldar sorcerer and a kroot soothsayer as mystics

tau cogitator and his drone as sages

and a grot with wings and some techie bits as a familiar

 

the servitors are still humans tho

 

i play my inquisitor as if he was saved or aided by each individual in turn and, as thanks, made them part of his retinue

[Sister Rosette Soulknyt]

Heretic, BURN, Burn i tell you.....

 

Ok, sorry about that.

Well if you wanted to have a shaper in his/her retinue i guess thats ok as long as you can justify why to other players, make it a simple story arc. Hey i once saw a guy with a Ork Kommando as a retinue. Looked really cool too.

What is the Ordo he/she serves, is Hereticus/Xenos or Malleus?

 

Malleus, plausable i guess, they mainly fight Chaos so i guess any little help is ok.

Hereticus, well i think other Inquisitors would torture you, purify you and then burn you alive for blasphemy.

Xenos, well again, work with what you know, slighty radical, but if it fits use them. Put a Auspex on its hip or in its hand.

[Stormshrug]

Hey i once saw a guy with a Ork Kommando as a retinue. Looked really cool too.

 

Scene at a security checkpoint:

 

"Is that an Ork in your retinue, Inquisitor?"

 

"Of course not! He just has a skin condition!"

 

"Yah, I gots a skin condition, ya grot!"

 

"Did he just call me a 'grot'?"

 

"I don't think so."

 

"I'm fairly certain that-"

 

"Are you arguing with an Inquisitor? Because you know that that's extra-Heresy."

 

"Yah, its extra-'retical, ya grot! WAAAAUGH!"

 

"Well then, everything appears to be in order. You and your party are all clear, Inquisitor."

 

 

This was in no way ripped off from TG's Orkhammer...

 

-Stormshrug

[BOBMAKENZIE]

eldar sorcerer and a kroot soothsayer as mystics

 

warlock & shaman :)

 

A local player was using some modified gun drones as weapons servitors they looked rather good.

[Brovius]

Black Library books have a tendency to ignore the Canon materials in favor of Kewl Creativity. The books they put out make a pretty bad precident for saying something is possible. -the Hat

 

Mat Ward is just as bad for it.

Remember the BA codex? Necrons and BA become super-best-friends to take down a common enemy, then leave eachother alone peacefully.

Being completely xenophobic hasn't always been in the Imperium's nature. In RT. there was something about a half-Eldar Ultramarine, who made it right up there in the Librarium.