Razhbad Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Ok i Know that Horus got on with most especially Sanguinius, Fulgrim & Lorgar. Magnus got on with Lorgar. Leman Russ and The Khan. But i am not certain about any others at all, like did Konrad or the Lion get on with any of their brothers. Are there hints that you lot could help me with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Scout Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Curze told Fulgrim about his visions of the future as he saw him as a mentor (from the Dark King), Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus made weapons for each other and Fulgrim thought FM would side with him in the Heresy though can't remember exact source. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2591063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Russ' and Jonson's rivalry developed into a kind of rivalry/friendship. Dorn got along well with a lot of Primarchs due to his honest nature. He is especially mentioned to have gotten along well with Guilliman (both had very similar principles of honourable conduct and duty) and it is said that Dorn was one of four Primarchs who had a statue in the Ultramarines' Hall of Honour on macragge. He was also respected by Khan, who had gifted Dorn with some of the finest horses form Chogoris. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2591074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Obviously things may change or be revealed to be more surprising in future releases but so far, from all sources, BL and GW included, I would say that: Horus got on with most Primarchs. He was the only one Mortarion and Curze really got on with according to Index Astartes Death Guard and traditionally Alpharius and he were close. However, Corax was supposedly not a fan of his, thinking him arrogant and a glory hogger. He particularly got on with Sanguinius and Lorgar, and was taking advice as a loyal Warmaster from Dorn and Guilliman, indicating good relationships with them. Dorn was likely close with Guilliman, as they were peas in a pod in many ways. As mentioned above he was also close with Horus as was a crucial advisor to him. Definitely not a friend of Peturobo and Curze! I think he also got on with Fulgrim as in Index Astartes Imperial Fists Fulgrim joked with him when asking whether the Imperial Palace could hold against the Iron Warriors, and in Index Astartes Night Lords Fulgrim confided his worries about Curze with Dorn. Sanguinius was the Angel so was likely very popular and this seems to be the case so far. He seemed to have a rivalary with Angron, though likely given his nature did not hold a grudge against Angron despite his hostility (he was that perfect!). He was very close with Horus and probably Dorn also, by the sound of things. Alpharius was a secretative s.o.b. but apparently got on with Horus according to Index Astartes Alpha Legion. I reckon this is going to be changed though, as he seemed pretty independent. Likely didn't get on with Guilliman, though states that he harboured no personal ill towards him. As we know everything he and his Legion say is a lie, this might not be true. Hell it would be an awesome twist if they were actually really close and it was all an elaborate ploy! :wacko: Lorgar was unpopular, looked upon as the runt of the litter by some. He did get on with Horus and Magnus though, and had the respect of Leman Russ seemingly in A Thousand Sons. Looky here, I even gave you a brief bit of information on those they didn't get on with, free of charge! Right, I'm off for dinner but I will put up some of my opinions later if you are all good! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2591077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Curze told Fulgrim about his visions of the future as he saw him as a mentor (from the Dark King), Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus made weapons for each other and Fulgrim thought FM would side with him in the Heresy though can't remember exact source. It's from the novel Fulgrim by Graham Mcneil. And Captain Idaho provided good insight into the primarchs friendships. Mortarion and Lion were lone ones. Mortarion hardly was friends with any of the primarchs, however he valued Horus' advice. As for Lion, I only know that he envied that Horus was promoted to Warmaster. AS for he being friends with the others, I only aware of him sharing his thoughts with Perturabo regarding his plans to become the new Warmaster after Horus' treason. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2591164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razhbad Posted December 17, 2010 Author Share Posted December 17, 2010 Thanks this is interesting stuff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2591690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 I think Russ and the Khan got on well - i'm sure i read that somewhere Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2591713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 The novel Fulgrim states that Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus were close. Possible (and extremely minor, if that!) spoiler: Given that Fulgrim had to convince Horus that he could 'turn' Ferrus, that'd imply to me that Horus and Ferrus Manus were not as close. The First Heretic reinforces Captain Idaho's point about Lorgar being unpopular; showing him being condescended to by Magnus, Ferrus Manus, Konrad Curze and Corax. For the most part, it's more indulgent dismissiveness than out-and-out hatred or dislike. Lorgar envied and loathed Roboute Guilliman. Leman Russ and Jaghati Khan were close – it's stated in Visions of Heresy. By and large, everyone liked Sanguinius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2591724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICHD? Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Angron, IIRC, pretty much resented everyone, after The Emperor robbed him of his warriors demise with his gladiator chums. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2591790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 What is cool is hearing that Khan and Russ were so close. It makes Guilliman's stance with the Codex all the more intriging , since he was supported by Khan and opposed by Russ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2592150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweentheLines Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 At the end of Fallen Angels Jonson granted Perturabo the siege guns in return for his eventual support as the New Warmaster. They seemed to get along fairly well face to face. Of course, Jonson isn't aware that Perturabo has already sided with Horus at this time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2592219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Russ got on well with everybody apart from Horus (they nearly came to blows untill the EMP stepped in) Russ did not like Magnus Russ did not like some of the other like Fulgrim or Curze or Lorgar all that much eaither Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2592526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Russ got on well with everybody apart from Horus (they nearly came to blows untill the EMP stepped in) Russ did not like Magnus Russ did not like some of the other like Fulgrim or Curze or Lorgar all that much eaither Your forgetting the Lion, those two never really got along from the very start. As for Magnus, I wouldn't say Russ didn't like him, more like didn't trust him. With Fulgrim? I never got that impression from Russ. There was a nice scene with Russ and Fulgrim in Prospero Burns. It felt more playful banter between the two than anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2592533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Russ got on with Johnson in the end though and they became quite close. Russ got on well with everybody apart from Horus (they nearly came to blows untill the EMP stepped in) Really? That's cool, what fluff is that from? I fancy reading it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2592588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 yes, Russ and Johnson eventually got along, I think the turning point was when Johnson stabbed Russ in the heart, but they could have changed that fluff. I'm thinking.. The Lion and the Wolf. from 2nd, 3rd and 5th SW codex, I think it was also in the DA codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2592602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 I'm reading Helsreach right now. It says that Dorn was very close with Horus, probably they were the closest Primarchs. However it comes from Grimaldus, Black Templar Reclusiarch, I'm not sure if we can trust his story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2592781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Russ got on with Johnson in the end though and they became quite close. Russ got on well with everybody apart from Horus (they nearly came to blows untill the EMP stepped in) Really? That's cool, what fluff is that from? I fancy reading it! Space Wolves second Omnibus, the last story "Wolf's Honour" or that least at where I rememeber it from, haveing just finish the book a few days ago. IP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2592873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Edit: Removed my comment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2593354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irabrai Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 I'm reading Helsreach right now. It says that Dorn was very close with Horus, probably they were the closest Primarchs. However it comes from Grimaldus, Black Templar Reclusiarch, I'm not sure if we can trust his story. (Having currently listening to the Horus Rising audiobook...) I can agree with the Quote. Dorn + Horus were on the Vengeful Spirit for quite a long time at the start of the book. Its doubtful if they didnt get along that that would happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2594040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priest33 Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Russ got on well with everybody apart from Horus (they nearly came to blows untill the EMP stepped in)Russ did not like Magnus Russ did not like some of the other like Fulgrim or Curze or Lorgar all that much eaither please tell me someone else finds this statement funny... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2594089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolt16 Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Hey Priest 33 I defo found it funny........Russ liked everyone except this huge list of Primarchs........ :P But seriously, hadn't realised Russ and Horus didn't get on - that is a really interesting idea and one I'd love to see explored a bit more....... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2594108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razhbad Posted December 20, 2010 Author Share Posted December 20, 2010 I have read the space wolf books, and i never got the impression he did not get on with Horus, indeed they did come to blows, but if memory serves me that fight resulted in the Emperor knocking out Russ and Russ did not talk to the Emperor for an entire year. Also i got the feeling from A Thousand Sons that Russ and Magnus secretly got on (at least initially). Also i felt from the First Heretic that Russ bore no ill will towards Lorgar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2594296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snorkle Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Where is it written that Russ and Horus didn't get on? i do remember an article on the GW website (approximately 8 years ago) in which it said that Russ was the only primarch to ever best Horus in combat, but then I can't remember hearing of two primarchs sparring, so maybe that was retconned. I think Fulgrim and Ferrus were closest of the primarchs, followed by Horus and Sanguinus or Fulgrim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2594600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Where is it written that Russ and Horus didn't get on? i do remember an article on the GW website (approximately 8 years ago) in which it said that Russ was the only primarch to ever best Horus in combat, but then I can't remember hearing of two primarchs sparring, so maybe that was retconned. I think Fulgrim and Ferrus were closest of the primarchs, followed by Horus and Sanguinus or Fulgrim Please, for the love of all thats holy, please tell me you have a link to this. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2595032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Please, for the love of all thats holy, please tell me you have a link to this. Will copy and paste this i found on warseer; The lore citing you're looking for is in a White Dwarf; it's the same one that mentions that Valdor had an honour duel with Horus as well, and lasted a surprisingly long amount of time. And yes, Russ apparantly was the only primarch to beat Horus 1v1, not sure where i read it though! :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217277-primarch-friendships/#findComment-2595039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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