Growler67 Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 First off I wish NOT to blaspheme my Brothers of the Wolf. I am first and foremost a Son of Russ to my very core. I just finished watching this first (of many in the franchise, I hope) and have to say I was impressed. Not the greatest thing I've ever seen but it was pretty well written, by Dan Abnett, and definitely gave you an impression in visual and aural of what it is to be an Astartes. I shall give away no spoilers but this first endeavor left me wanting more. I hope to the Emperor that GW decides to further this franchise and open up the possibilities to showing the masses a glimpse of the rich variety there can be with the other Chapters as well as from the 40K Universe. The story started off a bit slow. Perhaps to add a dramatic effect or give the taste of impending doom or just cut from the tome "....in the darkness of Space...." Kind of thing. It was okay though. It looks very much like they used the graphics engine used in the "Dawn of War" PC Game for the cinematic cuts. Much more refined and smoother though. THe graphics are also less blocky and very much more refined as well. You can still tell it's CGA and not on the level of console game cinematics but sufficient for the task displayed. If they stick with it and don't change it dramatically between releases then I'll be just fine with it. I read the small comic book/mini graphic novel that came with first. It introduces some of the principal characters. The packaging, well, to say it was elaborate and perhaps a little over the top would actually be understating things. Perhaps because it is the first. In any case I can give my hearty endorsement to anyone who feels so inclined to have a gander. I'm no movie critic of Oscar caliber but I know what I like. For a fan of 40K I will say it's a can't miss. I would be happy to field questions but I will NOT give away any information that could be considered "spoiler" material. You will have to watch for yourself to find out what meat there is on this particular bone and whether or not you find it palatable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natanael Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 It uses the engine from DoW? I do hope so, 'cause the trailers I've seen have not at all been up to the standard of the intro-movie in DoW2. But I guess I have to go have a look at it ;) - Natanael Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2591678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphus Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Hmmm, maybe I'll rent this out after all. Straight-to-DVD is something that usually puts me right off so i wasn't sure about this to begin with but hey take your word for it coz you've seen it. I would still love a Space Wolves movie and even more so one that dealt with the Horus Heresy ;) The only way a 40k movie could be put on the big screens would be a movie seen from the PoV of a Guardsman... ...on some place where all races could be shown. Oh, questions, any mention of the other chapters or is it just as if the UMs do everything? Could you see someone unknowledgeabe in 40k understanding the "big" picture of what goes on in the 40k universe, or rather, how 'confined' is it? Thx Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2591692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted December 17, 2010 Author Share Posted December 17, 2010 Straight to DVD was probably likely due to no live action. Plus, I don't think this would've done well as a theatrical release seeing that 40K isn.t appealing to the masses. Calculated risk on GW's part but I think the right choice. Maybe after a few get out they may consider reconsidering, but who knows. I will say that there is mention of other Chapters and that it isn't ALL UltraSmurfs. Nearly every catagory of Infantry unit choices is depicted as well, nearly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2591842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doomicon Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 It uses the engine from DoW? I do hope so, 'cause the trailers I've seen have not at all been up to the standard of the intro-movie in DoW2. But I guess I have to go have a look at it :P - Natanael Not to hijack, (just watched it last night). First thing I tell people, it's not a Pixar quality movie with that kind of budget. The CGI is subpar, and won't compare to Toy Story or even the DoW1 intro. That aside, if go into this movie with that perspective it's a REALLY good movie. I expected mindless action, and instead it was a good story, that added suspense, and still had some really good action! My wife who knows little to nothing about 40k watched it with me, prior to starting the movie I warned her that the CGI wasn't up to "snuff". She enjoyed the movie, the story, and the voice acting is great! just mah $0.02. p.s. Retired my BT's until a new dex comes out, started SW so maybe lurking here more often :-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2592158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulfhedinn Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Just got mine in the mail today and it was great. The Chainsword was elevated to a new level and the Thunderhammer might as well be Mjöllnir. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2592507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natanael Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Alright. Sounds like I might have to go see it. Gonna buy it as soon as I get some extra cash. - Natanael Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2592758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminatorinhell Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 I just ordered mine, can't wait to see it. If they make a big screen movie they might do the Horus Heresy (how epic would that be, like 7 movies!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2592769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted December 18, 2010 Author Share Posted December 18, 2010 The voice acting was pretty good, but keep in mind it's GW scripted and it IS about the UberSmurfs. Not an Academy Award candidate but for what it is, it's a good flick. It's not a GREAT flick and it is a first venture. It isn't ILM level CG but it isn't terribly bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2592844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Ok I just finished watching it...literally. I got it yesterday for Xmas and kept debating whether I should open it early or not. Woke up today and said why not!! I'm a bit disappointed personally. I was all giddy like a little kid at the start because this is the first time seeing a movie based on WH40k intellectual property (cut scenes don't count) but as the movie progressed it veered further and further away from how I imagine the WH40k universe. I don't even care about the graphics...it was more of a disconnect with the plot as it unfolded. I guess the best comparison I could give is if your favorite book is turned into a movie and suffers the inevitable Hollywood re-write. When you watch it you are like uh...thats not what happened or how it happened. My biggest issues w/o spoiling anything -The game rules/WH40k concept of weapons/armor saves are completely thrown out the window. Might as well have been running around without any power armor. A chainsword is not a power weapon... -IMO the main plan / goal of the enemy is ridiculous if you think it through It was enjoyable and I want to see more but there is room for improvement. I would also recommend it to others If I was giving it a grade maybe a B-/C+. I may be hyper critical due to expectations and I was definitely over eager to watch it this morning Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2593387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 -The game rules/WH40k concept of weapons/armor saves are completely thrown out the window. Might as well have been running around without any power armor. A chainsword is not a power weapon...- rules and fluff are very different. fluff wise termy armour is near impregnable,and orks cant hit a barn door, yet it can still happen that an ork can ill a termy with shooting... ever read the descripitions of a chainsword? monocular spinning blades at high speeds, powered by what plasma? and in some descriptions has energy feilds. flip look at khorn axes. just because rules wise they dont ignore armour saves dosent mean the dont cut through it. even combat blades are monomocular and have energy feild, and can be put through powerarmour. so fluf vs game is a bad argument againt it in my opinion... then again rember the oldinquisitor movie thing where the spacemarine sargent gets his hand chopped off and practically started crying? yea that i didnt like, marines wouldnt act like that when hurt, they would scream in rage and redouble their efforts whilst picking the weapon up in the other hand. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2593861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 -The game rules/WH40k concept of weapons/armor saves are completely thrown out the window. Might as well have been running around without any power armor. A chainsword is not a power weapon...- rules and fluff are very different. fluff wise termy armour is near impregnable,and orks cant hit a barn door, yet it can still happen that an ork can ill a termy with shooting... ever read the descripitions of a chainsword? monocular spinning blades at high speeds, powered by what plasma? and in some descriptions has energy feilds. flip look at khorn axes. just because rules wise they dont ignore armour saves dosent mean the dont cut through it. even combat blades are monomocular and have energy feild, and can be put through powerarmour. so fluf vs game is a bad argument againt it in my opinion... then again rember the oldinquisitor movie thing where the spacemarine sargent gets his hand chopped off and practically started crying? yea that i didnt like, marines wouldnt act like that when hurt, they would scream in rage and redouble their efforts whilst picking the weapon up in the other hand. I'll go out on a limb and guess most WH40k fans have the game as a primary interest for the WH40k universe and read novels as a secondary interest "Movie Space Marines" as the joke goes have to break some of the game rules in order to survive as a plot device. I'm fine with that. Power armor has a pretty impressive description as well :D I know it is nitpicking but that is what diehard fans do Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2593884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 true but would be pointless giveing them un equally impressive weaponry... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2593901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provocation Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Did anyone else have delays receiving their copy of the movie? I am still waiting for mine after ordering on the 29th October and then receiving an e-mail stating that they had production issues outside of their control. Then confirmation that it was sent 8th December but again still awaiting a response from their support team when asked about actual delivery date. Oh well I suppose sh@* happens when you live in deepest darkest South Africa. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2594075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted December 20, 2010 Author Share Posted December 20, 2010 I would wager that it is on its way and will arrive soon. I wouldn't worry too much. Not sure how the weather and customs and whatnot might've affected transit though. Fingers crossed for you. Have an ale while you wait :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2594086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 ive heard lots and lots of complaints about them. id say complain continuously til you get it and then complain more that it took so long. apparently their customer service has not been of any use whatso ever. so hopefully we can get gw to change the company for the better chapters movies... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2594814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikken Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 so i watched it last night . honestly not bad , the graphics were weak but you get over that real fast . the plot was ok . my biggest complaint was that it was so short . it felt like a tv show . which i think would be a great and wonderful idea , to have a 40 k tv show . but that was my opinion . i got the impression that this was a trial balloon , if this one does well , they will start pumping them out , again that would be a good thing . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2595325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mar Bloodaxe Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 My only gripe is the graphics. The DoW graphics would have made this awesome. The costs would be ridiculous though. The story was fine. Typical and predictable in a I've-seen-this-all-before kind of way, but still good. The acting was great. I'd recommend this to others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2595347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Why are we discussing this in the Fang? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2595370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted December 21, 2010 Author Share Posted December 21, 2010 I beg pardon and do not wish to incur the wrath of the Inquisition. This is nearly the only subforum I visit whenI come to the B&C. Not wishing to feel like having to take a bath for stepping into the realm of the UM halls, I posted this here. This feels like my home on this forum. Perhap remaining in my comfort zone placed this thread out of bounds. I appologize. I'll buy the next round for everyone. If it needs being moved then so be it. I really didn't want to take a bath, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2595499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 I have no problem talking about it here as I only come here too. I just can;t bring myself to buy it if it's short. A full length 2 hour movie sure. How long is it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2595676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted December 21, 2010 Author Share Posted December 21, 2010 1 hour 27 minutes, but that's if you atay all the way through the end of the credits. It's roughly an hour and 20. My main gripe having watched it again is the pace of the story. to putit mildly, IT PLODS. Again, maybe fro dramatic effect but it just seems to move like it's in slow motion. I liked the couple of twists in the story at the end though. Without divulging details, one has to hit th "disconnect" button and NOT watch this with the eye of a Canon Inquisitor. By that I mean that simply watching it is fine enough and I will again score it as a "good movie". If you get too into true specifics you will NOT enjoy it at all. AGAIN, it s a first effort and I am willing to cut them some slack (yes, I know, it chokes me to even consider uttering the words in reference to GW, but yeah). They now know what goes into a project like this having done it once. The time, the money, the translation from screenplay to CGI. My hope is that they actually learn from the process and can put forth a better product with any future ventures in this particular franchize. It doesn't have to be Full Fidelity 1080 HD (and hopefully someone can sit on a chainsword if they EVAR consider going 3D) and I was happy enough with the graphics used. The pauldrons had round edges by comparison to the cinematic cuts from the DoW PC game series. That is what I was making reference to in the way of refnements. There were some interesting elements and I just hope that they plan things out better and put forth a more worthy movie next time when the cor of their business is SPace Marines, this was (surely if they have any nds to admit it) a slackfest effort. Dipping their toes in to test the waters sort of thing. Again, it is my WAG that they used the graphics engine from the DoW series as they aready have the rights and such in hand and the money was already spent on it. To just script thn create one long "cinematic clip" was the easy part, relatively speaking. It is GW, so fingers crossed, I'm just not holding my breath. I never do with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2595751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonDrakenstorm Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 I would say that the movie wasn't bad. The textures aren't detailed enough and the motion and proportions of the PA are wierd. But, the story was good and the faces were pretty nice. The only big problem was a sentence at the start of the movie : "They[the space marines] are the champions of mankind. And the greatest of them all are the Ultramarines." C'mon GW guys. Make the next one better and with SW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2595776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 If we keep this here, how about we change the discussion of what we liked and didn't like about the movie with respect to what we would like to see in a space wolf version. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2595804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Well first off I'm glad they didn't do a movie on Space Wolves first, but instead they decided to experiment on our noble brothers the Ultramarines! Thank you GW for the wise choice. So, what would I like to see in a space wolf version: 1 - In the opening it states that the Ultramarines are the greatest Astartes of them all, I hope I SW version can correct this blatant lie. But it has to be written by someone who actually likes Space Wolves! 2 - I would like to see better animation in the movie with smoother flowing motion. Being an amateur stop motion hobbyist, I can tell you all now with todays tech, regardless of budget, they could have made much less jerky Space Marines. I have seen animated marines done with Blender that had better motion. Having said that I hope they do keep the level of detail they invested in the armour and imagery, but of course change it to something that will suit Space Wolves more - like an opening with the Fang as a backdrop. 3 - I hope a Space Wolves movie has better battle scenes with an army-sized pitched battle to show how a Space Marine army operates in a full blown, all out war. It would be nice to seen how a giant superhuman fights and reacts in war compared to normal humans. Even the difference in size of a Space Marine would have an impact in a war council. I am currently reading Hellsreach and there are scenes with the Templar Reclusiarch Grimaldus in war councils with the Imperial Guard command. The author did a good job in conveying the awe and uneasiness of normal humans in the marine's presence. It would be nice to see this exchange on screen. 4 - I definitely would like to see a future Space Wolves movie on the big silver screen rather than a 42" T.V. 5 - I hope they keep the crazy heroism they showed in the movie with a Space Wolf film but maybe make the Wolves somewhat more aggressive. Show why Space Wolves have the counter-charge rule! 6 - I would like to see more character and diversification in the faces of the marines, something that is vital for the individualistic nature of the Space Wolves w.r.t. their appearance. The producers have to remember that the Wolves are warriors and not soldiers. 7 - Above all I would like to see the Dark Angels in the movie just so we can cheer away when our beloved Chapter outdo them in every attempt! Just to be fair, I did enjoy the movie and I think after seeing it, a non-GW audience might actual think that the Ultramarines are the greatest chapter out there petrolling the galaxy. (but we know that is not true :P ) Edit: Just for reference, this is how the film should have been like - Space Marine Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217333-ultramarines-movie/#findComment-2595847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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