LardO'Blood Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 Ok, so I have a friend who is starting Eldar and his plan is to get his hands on as many harlequins and rangers as possible. I've played Eldar once before with C:SM and the rangers were a pain in the butt until I could get a flamer over to the bastion and kill them all. The harlies easily removed my 200 point command squad. Basically, how can I fight a harlequin/ranger heavy list with Deathwing? I usually play dreadnought or land raider heavy lists with AC terminator squads backing them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Well, you said it yourself: weapons that ignore cover saves for the rangers. Flamer is your best bet and I'd say Whirlwind also negates the cover,... not sure though (lazy to pick up books now :P) As for Harlequins... hurricane bolters and basically high rate-low strength weapons :tu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Easy peasey versus Harlequins and Rangers. Go shooty, load up on LRCs and drive around laughing at them ;) If you want to get out use LRCs as line of sight blockers to Rangers/Pathfinders If he's sensible he'll bring Fusion Pistols on his Harlies, but remember they need to be within 3" to get the extra penetration dice. Even if they do blow a Raider, they'll probably take themselves with it in the explosion (lol T3 5++) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPK Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Whirlwind also negates the cover,... not sure though (lazy to pick up books now Yes, with the Incendiary Missiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Of Malfeasance X Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 you don't need LRCs. Deep strike near them so that you don't have to worry about the veil and shoot the crap out of them. They're only 5+ saves if out of cover. Same with the rangers, though you might want a teleport homer fairly close by so you can get right where you need to with the flamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 you don't need LRCs. Deep strike near them so that you don't have to worry about the veil and shoot the crap out of them. Probably not so much a good idea. You'll be vulnerable to being assaulted. If you're tailoring a list versus foot eldar, then LRCs are the way to go as they have no answer to AV14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Besides Dragoons and lances... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Which a Pathfinder/Harlequin list doesn't have.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 But he will get some eventually... along with some banshees... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farseerixirvost Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Like others have implied and/or stated, torrent of fire is the best bet. Assault cannons, Heavy Bolters, Storm Bolters - basically all the things a Deathwing Army inherently already fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Which a Pathfinder/Harlequin list doesn't have.... I doubt that is all a list will have... for a start it is missing a HQ choice... all of which can bust tanks. However against footdar Land Raiders are still close just to drive you up to the Harlequins... step out and flamer them... follow up with some bolter shots... Anything left? shoot with raider... anything left? charge! Finish combat... get back inside raider drive towards rangers... get out and flame them... If we take out the fact that deathwing are never that easy to use then Eldar are a pretty tough cookie anyway. They are faster than you, find it easy to ignore your 2+ and can have a good number of weapons that will help against AV14. A lot of this will come down to how both of you play. What I said above should work but it assumes he won't be taking your raider out and he may well be able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Besides Dragoons and lances... Technically, they didn't charge the tanks. They passed through a field inhabited by tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 If we take out the fact that deathwing are never that easy to use then Eldar are a pretty tough cookie anyway. They are faster than you, find it easy to ignore your 2+ and can have a good number of weapons that will help against AV14. A lot of this will come down to how both of you play. What I said above should work but it assumes he won't be taking your raider out and he may well be able to. Footdar really aren't a tough cookie. Mechdar however are. Not really in pure killing power, but in the ability to play the mission (especially objective based ones) and to take out key targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 If we take out the fact that deathwing are never that easy to use then Eldar are a pretty tough cookie anyway. They are faster than you, find it easy to ignore your 2+ and can have a good number of weapons that will help against AV14. A lot of this will come down to how both of you play. What I said above should work but it assumes he won't be taking your raider out and he may well be able to. Footdar really aren't a tough cookie. Mechdar however are. Not really in pure killing power, but in the ability to play the mission (especially objective based ones) and to take out key targets. Oh I don't know used well footdar can be a pain in the ass although if your aim is to be a pain in the ass why you would play footdar I don't know. I've got 15,000pts of Eldar and 50 Deathwing terminators so I've been on both sides of the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanhausen Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Having 20 Ferrari doesn't mean you know how to drive :P I have 60+ terminators and barely know how to move the models :) Now seriously: we have deviated a bit from what the OP asked for. High rate low strength fire should deal with the harlequins and templates with the rangers. Not much more to it I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 If we take out the fact that deathwing are never that easy to use then Eldar are a pretty tough cookie anyway. They are faster than you, find it easy to ignore your 2+ and can have a good number of weapons that will help against AV14. A lot of this will come down to how both of you play. What I said above should work but it assumes he won't be taking your raider out and he may well be able to. Footdar really aren't a tough cookie. Mechdar however are. Not really in pure killing power, but in the ability to play the mission (especially objective based ones) and to take out key targets. Oh I don't know used well footdar can be a pain in the ass although if your aim is to be a pain in the ass why you would play footdar I don't know. I've got 15,000pts of Eldar and 50 Deathwing terminators so I've been on both sides of the fence. Funnily enough I play both Eldar and Deathwing too. Footdar doesn't work in purely competitive terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Funnily enough I play both Eldar and Deathwing too. Footdar doesn't work in purely competitive terms. Hmmm I wouldn't plan on winning any tourneys but I reckon I could give a pure Deathwing army a run for their money with footdar. I guess it also depends on what we are calling footdar. If we allow vehicles but not transports or no vehicles at all because that restricts where I can take heavy weapons to Guardians and Wraithlords which would be needed to kill Land Raiders and dreads. Deathwing terminator squads should be pretty easy for an eldar army to kill footdar or otherwise is the Deathwing player isn't controlling the battlefield and for that he needs his transports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Dajin Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Oh I don't know used well footdar can be a pain in the ass although if your aim is to be a pain in the ass why you would play footdar I don't know. I've got 15,000pts of Eldar and 50 Deathwing terminators so I've been on both sides of the fence. Dude, punctuation please. :huh: As for the original question; lots of shots, as stated before, are the primary solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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