Frag Cannon

[Tro_lee boy]

I'm a bit confused by the frag cannon being assault 2. Does this mean it gets to use 2 templates or that it causes 2 hits to everyone under the first template. Thanks in advance.

[Demoulius]

2 shots, so 2 templates in this case :)

[ancient god]

Oh, I thought you count once and double the result.

[Carnus Caedes]

One template... Assault 2 causes 2 wounds on each figure under the template... (template section rulebook)

[Tro_lee boy]

Thanks for that.

[Anarchyman99]

One template... Assault 2 causes 2 wounds on each figure under the template... (template section rulebook)

 

What page?

 

PG29 - Multiple Template Weapons

 

"If a unit is firing more than one template weapon, resolve each shot, one at a time, as described above, determining and recording how many hits are scored by each template. Finally, fire any other weapon in the unit, then add up all of the hits and roll to wound."

[Brother Nathan]

though you are essientially placing the thing in the same position twice as you have to cove as many as possible both times, so its gonna be in the same position twice... may as well just double it...

[Carnus Caedes]

One template... Assault 2 causes 2 wounds on each figure under the template... (template section rulebook)

 

What page?

 

PG29 - Multiple Template Weapons

 

"If a unit is firing more than one template weapon, resolve each shot, one at a time, as described above, determining and recording how many hits are scored by each template. Finally, fire any other weapon in the unit, then add up all of the hits and roll to wound."

 

Afirmative for Multiple Template Weapons... ;)

and as it goes on to state...

 

"Wounds inflicted by template weapons do not have to be allocated on the actual models covered by the template, but can be put onto any model in the unit"

 

 

(This as opposed to twin-linked which it is not where you re-roll to wound those that fall under the single template).

 

edit: spelling

[JamesI]

Technically, you place two templates. As in almost all circumstances this would give the same result as placing one and doubling it, it really doesn't matter which you do.

[Carnus Caedes]

Which is how I reasoned it... but applied it in easier to understand terms (for my own benefit).

 

One template double the wounds... because it doesn't matter if they're under the template, in any case, it applies to the unit as a whole ;)

[JamesI]

the only reason I can think it might matter is if somehow you can catch the max number in the target unit in two places, but in each of those places you overhang onto two different units and you want to hit all 3 units with the two templates.

[shatter]

Yeah. Only one template laid down for the reasons James1 outlines. Ie, to prevent targeting extra units. Assault2 with temples shoots double hard, not twice as often.

[Brother Nathan]

although a heavy flamer would be posisioned differently as its being fired from a ifferent gun, wouldnt it?

[shatter]

Yip. Vehicles shoot from the gun, not the base.

[TheHarrower]

Wouldn't your opponent be removing casualties after the first shot though? I haven't used it yet, but I would fire the first shot and resolve with my opponent pulling the dead models and repeat the process. Doubling is going to hit additional models that wouldn't be there because they're dead after the first blast.

 

Assault2 with temples shoots double hard, not twice as often.

 

I'm curious where this logic comes from? Is there something in the BRB that I am not aware of? Assault 2 means fires 2 shots as far as I am aware. When you fire a Frag Missile with a Landspeeder Typhoon, do you double the wounds, or resolve both templates separately? Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I've always resolved each shot separately.

[4RC71C FOXX]

I would have thought that since all shooting from a single unit is at the same time, it would make most sense to count the total number of hits from all of its weapons, and then work out total wounds all at the same time for consitency's sake.

 

So what I would do with a Furioso with Frag Cannon and Heavy Flamer, is lay down the frag cannon template to get max coverage (essentially this would hit x number of models and then you for simplisities sake double that to 2x) then lay down the template for the heavy flamer which hits y number of models depending on placement this could be the same as x.

 

You would therefore have 2x + y hits (2 frag templates and 1 flamer) roll the dice (with differentiation between frag and flamer) and see how many wound, then pass them over to your opponent for saves etc.

 

This is how i have been using this up to date.

 

EDIT: Just Checked the BRB and it confirms what I thought: page 29: "if a unit is firing more than one template weapon, resolve each shot, one at a time, as described above, determining and recording how many hits are scored by each template. Finally fire any other weapon in the unit, then add up all of the hits and roll to wound."

 

FOXX

[Brother Nathan]

for the tempest as its shots can each scatter you have to roll to see how many is hit under each template. but due to wound allocation you must fire all your weapons, roll to wound withthem and then they get to allocate them all to the squad. so with the dread with frag cannon(which you must fire at full effect or not at all, so both templates covering as many models as possible) you want to fire the frag, place the template, count the models under it and essientially double the number. if you want to fire the heavy flamer you must also place it and do the same, keeping track of both sets of numbers hit. if the modl has any other weapons you want to fire it must also do so now ie grappel. then all hits are rolled to wound. (keeping them seperate for different aps, especially rending) then the opponent takes all the wounds and allocates them accross the unit and roll saves and removes casltys... hope that helps!

[TheHarrower]

Thanks guys! That clears it up.

[shatter]

template rules =/= blast marker rules.

 

Just sayin'.

[Leonaides]

place template, covering x models. Get x hits. Place second template, in same place to also cover max no of models (x again). Get an additional x hits. Roll 2x dice to wound. Opponent allocates hits and rolls saves as appropriate. Then, and only then, removes dead models.

[TheMouth]

place template, covering x models. Get x hits. Place second template, in same place to also cover max no of models (x again). Get an additional x hits. Roll 2x dice to wound. Opponent allocates hits and rolls saves as appropriate. Then, and only then, removes dead models.

 

 

this.

 

since you need to cover the most models, even with the 2nd template, its placement will be the same as the first...hence 2x wounds.

[ancient god]

Surprising how controversial this seems to be. I always felt that this is one of the clearer rules.

 

What Leonaides says is completely right.

[bulley]

Its a pretty tasty weapon has to be said. If I was running a non-blood talon dread I'd be tempted to run this - I dont run dreads - just purely due to their lack of mobility (compared to my mech).

[Mezkh]

It's an amazing weapon. But it's kind of hard to use the dread. I'm thinking either second wave pod, or first wave in a 'rush' list.

[Disruptor_fe404]

The confusion was possibly from people saying that you double the wounds. You actually double the hits, and make double the to-wound rolls. Which isn't the same as doubling the wounds.