Legacy40k Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 This came up today.. a game with Tau vs Space Wolves. And while I would have thought this question has been asked before, I couldn't find it through the search. Are Jump Troops (and bikes for that matter) affected by Jaws? The space wolf player assumes that jump troops and bikes are sub classes of infantry, and are thus affected because infantry are affected. I looked through the rule book, and I couldn't find any example of subclasses existing. And really, Monsterous Creatures have more in common than jump infantry to regular infantry. Jump Troops and Bikes don't share any rules with infantry besides the ability to move, shoot and assault... like almost every other unit in the game. Any thoughts/clarifications on this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 "The unit types in Warhammer 40,000 are as follows:" - Infantry <-- - Beasts and Cavalry <-- - Monstrous Creatures <-- - Jump Infantry - Artillery - Bikes and Jetbikes <-- - Vehicles (WH40K Rulebook, page 4-5) Jaws of the World Wolf (...) Monstrous Creatures, beasts, cavalry, bikes and infantry models that are touched by this line must take an initiative test. (Codex Space Wolves, page 37) Also note that according to the Space Wolves FaQ the crew members of artillery units can be hit, but the gun models cannot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2593099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Yep, thank you for that illustrative response Legatus- hes quite correct too. Infantry might be a component word of Jump Infantry but its a different unit type entirely. Much like how Jelly and Jelly Bean are different things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2593100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Yes he got it right. It doesn't work on jump infantry. G :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2593165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Would it also affect Jetpack infantry? or should we refer to them as Jumppack infantry as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2593240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiveFleetEzekial Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Would it also affect Jetpack infantry? or should we refer to them as Jumppack infantry as well. Well, seeing as how there's no such thing as 'jetpack' or 'jump-pack' infantry. No. The key thing is whether or not they're labled as 'jump infantry' (no 'pack' needed). Some deamons can take wings that make them Jump Infantry. Some deamons (and the Tyranids too) only get to 'move like JI', which wouldn't work against JotWW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2593245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Correct ,as per the SW FAQ Q. If the unit type that a Wolf Priest’s Oath of War affects is declared to be Bikes, does the unit gain the benefit against Jetbikes, and vice versa? A. Yes, because Jetbikes is a subcategory of the ‘Bike’ unit type. Similarly, ‘Beasts & Cavalry’ are the same unit type, and ‘Jet Packs’ are a subcategory of the ‘Jump Infantry’ unit type. A Wolf Priest that has sworn his oath against one will still get the benefit of the oath against the other. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2593247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Correct ,as per the SW FAQQ. If the unit type that a Wolf Priest’s Oath of War affects is declared to be Bikes, does the unit gain the benefit against Jetbikes, and vice versa? A. Yes, because Jetbikes is a subcategory of the ‘Bike’ unit type. Similarly, ‘Beasts & Cavalry’ are the same unit type, and ‘Jet Packs’ are a subcategory of the ‘Jump Infantry’ unit type. A Wolf Priest that has sworn his oath against one will still get the benefit of the oath against the other. And all Tau players said yippee! YIPPEE! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2593250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 And all Tau players said yippee! YIPPEE! Of course, all they had to do was read the rules in the unit type section...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2593266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Its amazing how many times I've had this argument. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2593337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Its amazing how many times I've had this argument. Its because JoWW is an increadably poorly desighned power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2593342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 And all Tau players said yippee! YIPPEE! Of course, all they had to do was read the rules in the unit type section...... I'm happy to celebrate anytime, even old victories :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2593602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trefenwyd Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Here's a follow-on question: can jump infantry choose not to use their jet packs and instead move like "normal" infantry to avoid Tempest's Wrath effects? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2594794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Here's a follow-on question: can jump infantry choose not to use their jet packs and instead move like "normal" infantry to avoid Tempest's Wrath effects? Silly as it seems, they are still of the type: Jump Infantry so no they can't avoid the effects even though they can choose to move as Infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2594943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Sasha Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Here's a follow-on question: can jump infantry choose not to use their jet packs and instead move like "normal" infantry to avoid Tempest's Wrath effects? Silly as it seems, they are still of the type: Jump Infantry so no they can't avoid the effects even though they can choose to move as Infantry. Ever tried hillwalking on a very windy day with a really big backpack..? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2595266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphus Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Its amazing how many times I've had this argument. Its because JoWW is an increadably poorly desighned power. No, it's fantastic! Not only is it a lovingly crafted piece of cheese but XVs are safe as well so muahahaha :lol: On a more serious note the reason I believe XV suites are immune is down to their size and proximity to each other. Far too easy to drop pod a RP close to the tau line and cast Jaws straight through those suits. With their super low Initiative it would just be powerful. That 400+ points shas'O and bodyguard squad? Gone in a hit. The prospect would not be fun, so the wise folks at GW limited it's power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2596059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphus Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Here's a follow-on question: can jump infantry choose not to use their jet packs and instead move like "normal" infantry to avoid Tempest's Wrath effects? Silly as it seems, they are still of the type: Jump Infantry so no they can't avoid the effects even though they can choose to move as Infantry. I always thought they only used their packs when going the extra 'six but looking at it now regardless of what would be "normal" or "practical" I say that it doesn't matter and they are what they are labeled as so take the necisarry tests. Hey with a big thing on your back you have to be careful right? So even if you imagine them "walking" they still take the tests. Just my 2 cents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2596063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Its amazing how many times I've had this argument. Its because JoWW is an increadably poorly desighned power. No, it's fantastic! Not only is it a lovingly crafted piece of cheese but XVs are safe as well so muahahaha :) On a more serious note the reason I believe XV suites are immune is down to their size and proximity to each other. Far too easy to drop pod a RP close to the tau line and cast Jaws straight through those suits. With their super low Initiative it would just be powerful. That 400+ points shas'O and bodyguard squad? Gone in a hit. The prospect would not be fun, so the wise folks at GW limited it's power. Nope, for them we have Tempest's Wrath and Murderous Hurricane... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2596173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Nope, for them we have Tempest's Wrath and Murderous Hurricane... Yes, but it is not one power doing it all. Now choices have to be made, which keeps it fairer :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217430-jaws-of-the-world-wolf-vs-jump-troops/#findComment-2596181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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