The Hand Of Manus

[vanimal]

Heres what i havr so far, it is to go along with a new 40k liast and a B.F.G fleet please leave feedbacl

 

Vanimal

he e Hands Of Manus

 

A space marine chapter created to help stem the flow of Abbadons black Crusades. Due to the increasing numbers of ships boarded/ stolen in the battles around the eye of terror especially in the Gothic sector, it was decided that a chapter was to be formed to support the needs of the battle fleet to repel boarders and support the fleet.

Taken from the gene stock from the iron hands chapter , as it was assumed that the known affinity of chapter with all things mechanical , and the close relations with mars, would all be of a advantage. It is the chapters roll to act as marines in the true sense of the word. Distributed amongst fleet ships as well as there own,to support fleet personnel in ship protection and to assault ships of the enemy. It also falls to the hands to investigate hulks and crippled enemy ships that are found after the battle.Beacause of this highly specialized roll the hands do not have any armoured support or vehicles, but do have a over average supply of terminator suits , fully Two whole companies can be equipped this way. Utilizing flamers and storm bolters as standard due to the decreased effects of damaging there own ships, along with increased use of storm shields, and power weapons, there roll in the fleet is greatly appreciated

Having good links with the mechanicum has greatly improved the recourses of the chapter.Having been called to aid many a magos of recovering STC constructs from hulks found in sector.The chapter has benefited with a larger than standard number of techmarines which have been trained onboard ships of mars as and when they have joined the fleet.

The main force the fleet bring to bear though are there ships, having good links with the mechanicus shipyards and a decreased need for strike cruisers as they are design for planetary assaults, the chapter is equipped with standard variants of fleet vessels including an emperor and apocalypse class battleships six various classes of cruiser and a dozen frigates makes them a force to be reckoned with.

This does have a divided effect on officers of the fleet as many see them as taking there roll and there very creation an insult to the fleets reputation. The others though are the ones who have seen the hands in action and fully understand there worth. This also has an effect on the marines as prolonged time among fleet ships and there crew have made them noticeably more “human” . Being able to mix with non astartes without complaint ,this makes them greatly revered amongst the ratings of the fleet. But has also alienated the from the Iron Hands and other chapters of there decention for being weak and not recognising the strength of the machine over flesh. A quote the chapter soon dismisses, as is not the emperor and the omisiah one and the same?

This experience amongst the stars does make there commanders formidable ship captains and admirals and it is not uncommon for captains of the chapter to command small fleets. Though this is recognised by other chapters, who regularlily send marines with them to train in boarding actions and fleet tactics ,they are seen as one dimensional from most regular chapters and less than able in taking on most other roles a chapter may be called apon to make .An assumption all to quickly forgotten when there fleet shows up. For why should we take a planet from down there when we have the resources to do it from here..........?

[NightrawenII]

Hmm, well there is a lot of spelling errors, there= their, roll= role, the omisiah= The Omnissiah etc. etc.

 

Second, your chapter is breaking the Edict of Separation of Power. The SM are forbidden to have such formidable fleets for several apparent reasons. Another thing is that the "normal" marines are able to perform the naval duties *and* the planet-side operations without much problems. In fact, the Black Dragons and the Black Templars are renown for the fleet-actions.

The TDA is rare and hard-to-manufacture equipment, having enough suits for two companies is... unlikely.

 

For why should we take a planet from down there when we have the resources to do it from here..........?

Because it's serious waste of Emperor's Finest Warriors. ANYONE can sit in the orbit and bomb the mongrels below, only marines can droppod in the middle of them and begin the aggressive negotiation.

[Allerka]

First, this is in the wrong section. This should be in Liber Astartes. Second, I would suggest a different title. "The Hand of Manus" sounds far too much like "Manos: The Hand of Fate", a.k.a. one of the most abysmally bad movies of all time. :huh: That, and it's redundant anyway.

[Argon]

Hmm, well thre is a lot of spelling errors, there= their, roll= role, the omisiah= The Omnissiah etc. etc.

 

Second, your chapter is breaking the Addict of Separation of Power

 

 

Muphry strikes again.

 

It's "Edict".

[Apothete]

Anything else aside, your Chapter's name is either exceedingly strange or redundant. I'm frankly amazed that nobody before me pointed out that the literal Latin translation of the word "manus" is "hand" or "fist." As such, you've named them the Hand of Hand.

 

Heres what i havr so far, it is to go along with a new 40k liast and a B.F.G fleet please leave feedbacl

 

Okay.

 

Here's my first suggestion: Slow down. After that, try a little light proofreading and some attention to the way you present yourself, because you're asking us to not only spend our time - and everyone here, whether staff or forumite - is a volunteer who could be doing other things, but also to decode the digital equivalent of a hastily scrawled chicken scratch.

 

A space marine chapter created to help stem the flow of Abbadons black Crusades. Due to the increasing numbers of ships boarded/ stolen in the battles around the eye of terror especially in the Gothic sector, it was decided that a chapter was to be formed to support the needs of the battle fleet to repel boarders and support the fleet.

 

Which of Abbadon's ventures were they formed to combat? At what point in the timeline do they fall? At what Founding do they come into being?

 

These are relatively simple questions that we ought to have a grasp on by the time we've gotten even slightly into your writeup, yet they're all absent at this point. Some other things you may want to take into account are that there is no central "fleet" for the Chapter to be reinforcing, nor do I find it terribly likely that the resources, time, and training necessary to create a new body of Astartes would be expended purely for the benefit of a single military detachment. What are they going to do in the intervening decades while aspirants are found, tested, indoctrinated, brought into the craft of death, and made to learn their proper place in the Imperium? How does it serve the needs of the fleet to wait for what could be a century or more when a fully-fledged Chapter (or even more than one!) could be redirected in whole or in part?

 

It is the chapters roll to act as marines in the true sense of the word. Distributed amongst fleet ships as well as there own,to support fleet personnel in ship protection and to assault ships of the enemy.

 

Typically speaking, Imperial commanders are not too fond of the Astartes.

 

This is for a variety of reasons but the most common one referenced in official sources is the unreliability and comparative capriciousness of their adherence to orders. A Chapter Master, or even a Captain, that has spent centuries at war is unlikely to stoop to the level of placing himself at the beck and call of anything less than a Lord Protector or someone of similar rank and, even in that case, he's going to make a point of being his own master. Throw in the often unconventional tactics of the Astartes, their frequent willingness to sacrifice mere mortals for what they see as a greater cause, their pride and stubborness in their maintenance of independence, and, and, and... That doesn't even begin to reach into the political realm, where the Astartes and the more conventional military forces are separated intentionally post-Heresy so that powerful military commanders (of either variety) are far less likely to be able to prosecute successful rebellions.

 

If the Imperial Navy needs elite marines, they have the black-armored Naval Security forces, who are analagous to Guard veteran shock troops but with more experience, training, and equipment for the purpose of attacking, defending, and maintaining ships in the void of space.

 

 

It also falls to the hands to investigate hulks and crippled enemy ships that are found after the battle.Beacause of this highly specialized roll the hands do not have any armoured support or vehicles, but do have a over average supply of terminator suits , fully Two whole companies can be equipped this way. Utilizing flamers and storm bolters as standard due to the decreased effects of damaging there own ships, along with increased use of storm shields, and power weapons, there roll in the fleet is greatly appreciated

 

So why would it not fall to the Ordo Xenos, in cooperation with requisitioned or requested Astartes support? It sounds like you're going over the line of separation of powers yet again. The idea of a Chapter possessing two Companies worth of terminator armor, especially an Iron Hands descended one, seems a bit strange when you consider that suits of TDA are so rare in the parent Chapter that they're not even fielded as whole units except in the direst of circumstances. Iron Hands players will gladly tell you about the way that their squads are sometimes lead by terminator-armored veteran sergeants because the Chapter can't afford to cluster them together, lest they suffer the debilitating loss of what they have left.

 

I'd also like to address the idea that storm bolters are somehow less damaging to ships. If that were your goal, you'd be using Scouts with shotguns, as those are the least damaging option available out of the current armory.

 

Having good links with the mechanicum has greatly improved the recourses of the chapter.Having been called to aid many a magos of recovering STC constructs from hulks found in sector.The chapter has benefited with a larger than standard number of techmarines which have been trained onboard ships of mars as and when they have joined the fleet.

 

Techmarines make a pilgrimage to Mars to undergo a period of intense learning and apprenticeship, whereupon they are partially inducted into the priesthood of the Omnissiah. They suffer a dual loyalty to both heads of the Imperial Eagle, swearing fealty to the Emperor and the God-Machine at the same time.

 

However, it would seem somewhat peculiar if your Chapter was so highly favored by an organization that hasn't yet found a way to get the Iron Hands enough replacement dreadnought hulls and terminator armor to rebuild their armory, would it not?

 

The main force the fleet bring to bear though are there ships, having good links with the mechanicus shipyards and a decreased need for strike cruisers as they are design for planetary assaults, the chapter is equipped with standard variants of fleet vessels including an emperor and apocalypse class battleships six various classes of cruiser and a dozen frigates makes them a force to be reckoned with.

 

No.

 

Just no.

 

No Chapter possesses large ships intended for naval combat save the earliest of them or those unconcerned with their eventual fate, should said posession be found out. At the end of the Heresy, as I've previously alluded, the military that had previously been commanded in large part by Astartes was split into the current form - Space Marines for elite-strike assaults, Imperial Guard for conventional ground war, Imperial Navy for space and air combat, transport, and logistical concerns, Chambers Militant for the Ecclesiarchy and Inquisitional bodies, and the various sides of the Mechanicus (Skitaari, Titan Legions, etc). Never shall they be combined, lest the other forces out there decide that the power-hungry need to be taken down before they can shatter the Imperium again.

 

Notable exceptions to this rule are the Space Wolves, the Dark Angels, and the Ultramarines. You'll notice all of them are former Legions and Second Founding Chapters.

 

This also has an effect on the marines as prolonged time among fleet ships and there crew have made them noticeably more “human” . Being able to mix with non astartes without complaint ,this makes them greatly revered amongst the ratings of the fleet. But has also alienated the from the Iron Hands and other chapters of there decention for being weak and not recognising the strength of the machine over flesh. A quote the chapter soon dismisses, as is not the emperor and the omisiah one and the same?

 

You chose what are arguably the least human geneline in order to make a more humanistic Chapter? They wouldn't just be alienated from their progenitors, they'd be completely at odds with them. Weakness is weakness is weakness.

 

This experience amongst the stars does make there commanders formidable ship captains and admirals and it is not uncommon for captains of the chapter to command small fleets. Though this is recognised by other chapters, who regularlily send marines with them to train in boarding actions and fleet tactics ,they are seen as one dimensional from most regular chapters and less than able in taking on most other roles a chapter may be called apon to make .An assumption all to quickly forgotten when there fleet shows up. For why should we take a planet from down there when we have the resources to do it from here..........?

 

See above.

[asfargone]

a lot of thought went behind the creation of each chapter, and there are twelve and only twelve for reason of some old terran rites and atrology. what you are doing is creating a chapter with game-changing ideas. Sadly this chapter's purpose is an ill-defined mix of two others plus the titan's guild. i am perfectly willing to share some game-changing ideas of my own though.

 

first is the warp wipe. being that there is a ton of stuff in the warp including a number of imperial planets it would seem wise to cancel the warp for a small period of time, thus eschewing said resources from the warp for a time. the idea is taken that- in the fifth dimension, there is a paralel plane to reality. understand that warp-generators simply transmute the state of the warp around the entire ship and the geller field contains it. so, taking six total warp generators and six total geller fields, and three titanic vices, by enacting the warp on two planes, containing it, and clamping the planes exactly on top of one another, the warp from within the triangle to the entire universe could be temporarily cancelled out.

 

another idea was smaller and easier to understand, a small independant group of planets untouched from the great crusade make contact with and an alliance with the imperium. their armies are made up of combined "guard" and "space marine" units who fight with advanced yet still human weaponry.

the space marines have no name nor were defined as a chapter, just mechanized marine force. their especial trait is that they have none of the aggression or strength of other space marines, their gene-seed and armor is made solely for staying alive. as such they are great at battlefield surgery and keep a unit alive far longer than without. their regenerative capabilities are intense as well.

[asfargone]

sorry

[vanimal]

Whhooaah

 

Can see i have alot of work on this, or simply just to leave it. Was just an attempt creating new forces i could play in two seperate game formats [40K and BFG] that would let me use the models i like [imperial ships and Marines] with some loose story to combine them.

Thanks for everyones time though, and i shall leave the story telling to Dan Abnet from now on :P .

As for the quality of the actual writing i wrote it in a rush after a 16hr day and was not completly with it, though that is not somthing new.

 

Vanimal