Questions, Fallen SoB's?

[Colrouphobic]

I was wondering whether there are any known Fallen Sisters of Battle forces? Are there any fluff on it or are there any fanbased material only?

Is it possible at all?

 

I am, I admit, quite lacking the knowledge on Sisters of Battle to have any form of knowledge on how possible it would or would not be for a SoB order to fall (not just individuals but entire orders) and so any and all info or thoughts from you guys will be very appreciated.

 

 

Edit:

 

By "order" I don't mean an entire order as in the sense of 15000 SoB's, but rather a force, or convent if you will, of individual Sororitas that become renegade/follows chaos.

 

I know there are accounts of (atleast fiction) fallen individual Sororitas, but I

m wondering about a group of them, 100+ SoB's...

[Judanas]

Not a single one. There are cases of them working unknowingly for the wrong side and being mindcontroled (Where was the shield of faith Cain?) but there hasn't been an entire SOB force that has turned to chaos.

 

It is nigh-impossible for an entire order to fall as they are vigilant to the highest order about it and thier faith is pure. Not impossible but very close.

 

However, if you want to make one, go ahead. Just...not slannesh, it's a little overdone. Tzeench could be cool.

[Artein]

In official fluff there is just one Fallen Sister. Don't remember her name right now.

[JaqTaar]

In the comic Daemonifuge, there is an order of Sororitas, who studied an imprisoned Daemon Prince of Slaanesh in order to find its weaknesses, that subsequently escaped and turned part of them as well as part of the Sororitas relief force.

The one escapee was the Seraphim Ephrael Stern (Artein might refer to her), who is hunted by Imperial Authorities, but is actually a living weapon against Chaos.

 

In one of the Commisar Cain novels some Sisters are turned by a psyker. If I remember correctly they kill themselves after being freed from his psychic control.

[Inquisitor Fox]

The single fallen Battle Sister is Miriael Sabathiel. She's in a short story in one of the various Anthologies. Naturally this is an event of the style of "This never happened." "But I saw.." *krack thump boom!* "The rest of you never saw this, right?" "Yes mam!"

[Colrouphobic]

So in my vigilance in trying to find out proper info on the matter (I gather info every time I do anything) I asked this question on several forums.

 

I seem to get both yes and no.

 

Yes people tend to goin the direction: Slaanesh usually. - whilst some think it's cliché.

 

No people tend to go with the: Undying worship of emperor protects-theory.

 

Having just read First Heretic, it feels a bit weird that faith and worship of the emperor, the thing that got the big E so mad he almost disowned one of his sons, would save you from falling, but I guess it has some merit.

 

 

 

So lets pose a hypothetical question:

 

If BL would publish a book tomorrow with an SoB convent falling, for you to accept it as a decent story- which God and why would the fall to it?

[Artein]

Yup, I was talking about Miriael Sabathiel. The others were unwillingly possessed by psykers or daemons, that's not exactly falling to Chaos.

 

In 2nd ed. C:SoB it is said that only one Sister turned to Chaos.

 

I said it before:

One Fallen Sister - hard to do but possible with a good story behind her fall.

A squad of Fallen Sisters - near impossible, but doable

An army of Fallen Sisters - it'll be like Tyranids fighting for the Greater Good or Necrons siding with the Imperium.... oh, wait!

 

Still, you want it, you can do it. It's your army, your fluff.

 

But please, NO SLAANESH SISTERS! Don't make them follow the Dark Prince just because they're women.

[Judanas]

If BL would publish a book tomorrow with an SoB convent falling, for you to accept it as a decent story- which God and why would the fall to it?

 

Tzeench. Sisters do a lot of research into heretical things, it makes some sense that he could get access to a group of them through their desire to know more to help them fight chaos.

 

That and I would concider it cool to see a SOB resorting to sorcery or even recreating the Rubric of Ahriman in desperation.

[Vash113]

Actually being turned by a Daemon is still falling to chaos I would argue so yes it has and can happen.

 

Honestly I think either Slaanesh or Khorne are the most likely, the former for the desires denied and the latter for the desires central to the Sisters. I could believe a convent fighting across a world heavily steeped in a Khornate Cult would slowly, over time, become ever more vicious and hot tempered till, without really realizing it, they set over the line and fall sway to the corrupting influence of Khorn.

 

After all Burn, purge, kill! and Kill, maim, burn! are not all that dissimilar. All blood is shed in the name of Khorn!

 

Slaanesh could also work fairly well if, and I do mean if, it is done properly. For instance the corruption is centered around the monastic lifestyles and self-denial of the Sisters. Slaanesh is about excess of sensation, not necessarily what kind, self mutilation and flagellation fall under Slaanesh's purview as much as drug overdoses and sins of the flesh. So say a Sister Superior or other senior Sister is violently possessed during a battle against Slaanesh and then over the following years slowly turns the daily rituals of the Sisters into ever more violent and self mutilating extremes, working subtle sorcery into her sermons and drawing ever more listeners until finally, after much preparation the minds of many Sisters are corrupted and the Convent turns upon itself.

 

Chaos is subtle and endlessly patient with various schemes and plots slowly working towards completion over centuries or even millennium, even the legendary zeal and faith of the Sisters is not unbreakable.

 

Tzeentch and Nurgle would make more sense for non-militant orders, as the Adepta Sororitas is split into orders devoted to learning and orders devoted to combat, those who do the research are not the same ones who do the fighting.

 

So for instance an Order Dialogus would be more susceptible to Tzeentch and an Order Hospitalier would be more vulnerable to Nurgle.

[Myxx]

Maybe a as-yet unknown convent from the Brides of the Emperor debacle...

[*Furyou Miko]

Tzeentch.

 

Heh, my Sisters are occasionally Tzeentchian 'fallen sisters' (because there are never enough chaos players at my local store, and they just happen to have blue robes and gold trim... IE, they look a little like Thousand Sons).

 

The background for that group is that they were a Dialogous order who were saved by an Emperor-type figure (actually the Changeling in disguise, who had orchestrated the whole ork attack it saved them from in the first place) who charged them to gather and store tomes of forbidden knowledge to 'protect' the world from them while still leaving them available for Inquisition study. Of course, they can only protect one of each book, so if they find a second copy, they better burn it.

 

End result: Tzeentch Sisters who believe themselves to be devout Imperials and are actually working to restore Tzeentch's staff. Yes, that one.

[ArmouredWing]

I'm going to go for a little different tack here.

 

Nurgle... bear with me on this one.

 

A large part of the adeptus sororitas duties are to supply medical assistance where needed. Personally I've always considered that the medical wing of the sororitas has got the largest number of 'bodies on the ground' so to speak and as a result they'd be dispatched to global medical emergencies to assist the planet's own medical staff.

 

With this being the case they would be in direct line for picking up all sorts of disease and knowing grandfather nurgle he could use this opportunity to infect part of an order with a disease that could then go on to spread into the military wing of that order.

 

Nurgle sisters? +1T anyone?

[Sersi]

People always reference Daemonifuge. I own an original copy by the way... But the thing is the sister did not turn to chaos, the Keeper of secrets flat out dominated their wills. He the fashioned them into to a living cage of bone and blood...ewe.... Plus they weren't battle sisters, anyway. It was a research/inquisition think-tank that went bad. Stern and the handful of actual battle sisters, like a squad of them were there fore security and didn't even know what was being studied at the facility. They were mind beat by the KOS. They never turn willingly. The daemon-ised sisters that Sister Stern fought later had had their souls devoured and daemonettes were just possessing their bodies.

 

Now their was one sister that did bear the mark of Slaanesh, so she definitely counts among the fallen. Could a single battle sister fall? Sure. A squad of sisters? No way. A Canoness? Next to impossible.

 

 

I third the idea of Tzeentchian Sisters. You could have a Canoness hell bent on reforming the corrupt Eccesiarchy. Oh I just logically tied in change, twisted scheming and double dealing.

[Vash113]

Now their was one sister that did bear the mark of Slaanesh, so she definitely counts among the fallen. Could a single battle sister fall? Sure. A squad of sisters? No way. A Canoness? Next to impossible.

 

I've seen that sentiment several times and it just makes no sense. Only the Grey Knights are truly able to resist corruption, even the Sisters of Battle are not immune. I see absolutely no reason why a squad, a convent, a Sister Superior or a Canoness couldn't be corrupted given enough time or a strong enough daemon. The faith of the Sororitas might be strong but Chaos is no slouch either, if Chaos can twist and corrupt Primarch's, superhuman entities closer to gods than mortals then I fail to see how a handful of even zealous mortals would prove impossible to resist. Especially, as I mentioned earlier, given their very zeal could theoretically be used to corrupt them.

 

Also I would say it matters not whether Sisters are willingly or unwillingly corrupted or possessed, corruption is corruption it matters not its source or reason. The Sisters of Battle don't ask chaos cultists whether they willingly gave their souls to chaos, it matters not. All that matters is that the individuals in question were not strong enough to resist the forces of Chaos.

[Colrouphobic]

I thought the only truly immune-to-chaos humans where pharias, what whith them being a sort of "anti-warp-being"...

In any case, I wanted to know of precedents and possibilities of groups of SoBS. It seems to be a little undecided with some pro some against but generally speaking I get the sensation that with enough time and the right circumstances SoBS could possibly fall as a group. Whether those circumstances will/would ever be is a matter of personal opinions. Correct?

[Spacefrisian]

Now their was one sister that did bear the mark of Slaanesh, so she definitely counts among the fallen. Could a single battle sister fall? Sure. A squad of sisters? No way. A Canoness? Next to impossible.

 

Points a finger to the many Spacemarine chapters that have fallen to chaos.

[Artein]

Space Marines did not have Faith. Sisters of Battle do have.

[BrotherHostower]

The only Imperial Organization that we have seen in TT game terms that is without a single fallen member is the Grey Knights (I would assume, if we ever see TT Custodes, they would also be entirely pure as an organization). So yes (Daemonifigure being the big example, along with that short story about sisters hunting a fallen sister, the anthology it was in escapes me atm), Sisters of Battle can fall, can be corrupted, can be mass possessed.

 

Slaanesh is the obvious one, because if you want to go conversion crazy, daemonette head swaps with sisters is simple and easy, as daemonettes are still female in appearance (where plaguebearers, bloodletters, etc simply look bestial or mutated, or in the case of tzeentch daemons, have no face). All 4 deities have reason to corrupt sisters, but from a modeler's perspective, it's 'easier' to do it with the Dark Prince.... though now that I think of it, Nurgle ones wouldn't be too too hard to swap female rotting heads onto Death Guard models...

[andrewm9]

The only Imperial Organization that we have seen in TT game terms that is without a single fallen member is the Grey Knights (I would assume, if we ever see TT Custodes, they would also be entirely pure as an organization). So yes (Daemonifigure being the big example, along with that short story about sisters hunting a fallen sister, the anthology it was in escapes me atm), Sisters of Battle can fall, can be corrupted, can be mass possessed.

 

Slaanesh is the obvious one, because if you want to go conversion crazy, daemonette head swaps with sisters is simple and easy, as daemonettes are still female in appearance (where plaguebearers, bloodletters, etc simply look bestial or mutated, or in the case of tzeentch daemons, have no face). All 4 deities have reason to corrupt sisters, but from a modeler's perspective, it's 'easier' to do it with the Dark Prince.... though now that I think of it, Nurgle ones wouldn't be too too hard to swap female rotting heads onto Death Guard models...

 

Where exactly does it say no Grey Knight has fallen? If its not the codex then you can' take it too seriously. If we are using BL books as example of Fallen Sisters which many do then I think its highly likely that Grey Knights have fallen. Reading the Grey Knights novels makes me think that GK are no more likley to resist falling than a Space Marine. The main character was dangerously close to giving into Chaos in the 3rd Grey Knight novel. In fact he did lose himself and was essentially serving Khorne to an extent.

 

The reason why Sisters "fall" in the novels has a lot to do with how BL authors treat them. They are always the punching bags for BL authors. The cool stuff Sisters can do is always ignored when the book is not about them and sometimes even then.

[Warsmith Aznable]

So lets pose a hypothetical question:

 

If BL would publish a book tomorrow with an SoB convent falling, for you to accept it as a decent story- which God and why would the fall to it?

 

I envision a group of Sisters in an extended campaign, a meat grinder of killing and burning. Battle field after battle field, city after city, planet after planet. They kill and they burn. Their fall is subtle, so subtle that they don't see it happen themselves. Their zeal to punish the enemies of the Emperor slowly transforms into a zeal to punish. The exploding meat and blood of bolter rounds and the crackling, sizzling of fat in promethium fire... One day, after one battle, they realize that they don't remember why they are purging this particular city. They'd been moving from slaughter to slaughter so methodically, wrapped up in the joy of their holy genocides, that they had long since eradicated the heretics and simply turned to loyalist forces and populations. But their is no time to ponder the mistake, their next enemy has presented itself, and it's the Imperium come to chastise them.

 

Many Sororitas might submit to the chastisement, or even take their own lives. But the Cannoness of this group is prideful, and the enemy has been identified as being led by a political rival and consists of troops, lowly Guardsmen, that the Sisters feel far superior to. Surely the Space Marines would have been called to purge them? The wrath of the Emperor from his own Angels of Death? Not these filthy conscripts!

 

And the battle begins anew, with the Sisters washing away any doubts with the joyful din of bolters crashing and the warm splashing of blood and the heady incense of burning human flesh. Nothing else matters after that, only that they are killing, maiming and burning their way across the galaxy.

 

Only living for the kill, their lives in between battles become frustrating and tedious. The purity of work and meditation is replaced with seething resentment and hatred, and slaves are taken from among the non-combatant weaklings to do such things for them. Twisted, miserable wretches who exist only to serve, their broken minds fertile grounds for heresy and daemon possession. But the Sisters only care that they serve, their minds always on the next fight.

 

Their foes are numberless, guaranteeing that their joy is endless.

 

Fight the Imperium, as they are ungrateful dogs.

 

Fight the xenos, as they are unworthy to exist.

 

Fight the servants of Tzeentch, as they are foul psykers, the hated witch.

 

Fight the servants of Slaanesh, as they are decadent.

 

Heap their skulls before the Skull Throne, spill their blood for me, the only god who truly appreciates and understands you, my dread daughters...

[Terminatorinhell]

Hmmm Khornate sisters repentia would be awesome!

[bertboxer]

"Ludmilla turned to Alaric. 'I know the Grey Knights have never had a brother lose their mind to Chaos. But the Adepta Sororitas have lost Sisters to the Enemy before. It is rare, and no one will admit to it, but...'"

pg 239 of the GK omnibus

[Sersi]

Now their was one sister that did bear the mark of Slaanesh, so she definitely counts among the fallen. Could a single battle sister fall? Sure. A squad of sisters? No way. A Canoness? Next to impossible.

 

Also I would say it matters not whether Sisters are willingly or unwillingly corrupted or possessed, corruption is corruption it matters not its source or reason. The Sisters of Battle don't ask chaos cultists whether they willingly gave their souls to chaos, it matters not. All that matters is that the individuals in question were not strong enough to resist the forces of Chaos.

 

 

I have to disagree with you on this point. Being possessed against your will is not the same as willingly turning to chaos. It's all about the choices you make. There are lots of examples of un-willing daemonic possessions, heck even psyker possessions in the background. They always end badly, nut its not the same as being a card caring heretic. Noe does being duped into un-wittingly committing acts that benefit Chaos, count. Afterall even the original Sororitas were duped into opposing the Emperor, by a power mad dictator. When I and most people I've met speak of falling to chaos, it in regards to the person willingly and with full knowledge of their actions choosing to serve the Dark Gods.

[Sersi]

The reason why Sisters "fall" in the novels has a lot to do with how BL authors treat them. They are always the punching bags for BL authors. The cool stuff Sisters can do is always ignored when the book is not about them and sometimes even then.

 

 

This. Where are the novels with Living Saints owning Greater Daemons? Where are the novels where sister by holding fast to their faith overcomes the odds and emerge victorious? Oh well I'm sure in our next codex will have a Cannoness punching out an Ork Warboss or some such thing. :)

[GodwynDi]

I have to disagree with you on this point. Being possessed against your will is not the same as willingly turning to chaos. It's all about the choices you make. There are lots of examples of un-willing daemonic possessions, heck even psyker possessions in the background. They always end badly, nut its not the same as being a card caring heretic. Noe does being duped into un-wittingly committing acts that benefit Chaos, count. Afterall even the original Sororitas were duped into opposing the Emperor, by a power mad dictator. When I and most people I've met speak of falling to chaos, it in regards to the person willingly and with full knowledge of their actions choosing to serve the Dark Gods.

 

This. It bears repeating, as I have put in threads on this topic before :) . Mind control, possession, and being tricked are all different than willing service to chaos. Many gloss over it, or just consider it semantics, but in this discussion the details truly define the result.

 

To -Max- very well written, but I see the numbers willing to submit to chastisement or take their own lives to be a not insignificant portion of the group, leaving only the canoness and a small remnant force left.

 

Though I almost want to do a counts as chaos army now using repentia as their armor begins to fall apart from lack of upkeep, the sisters focusing purely on destroying their next enemy.