Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Okay, not exactly a book in its own right but a couple of things I think need better coverage in HH novels: 1: The opinions and objections of the Primarchs when they learn that they will not be on the rulling council even though they've spent all this time on the War council. Who thinks its a bad idea? Who feels dumped on? and who believes its the way forward? 2: The rivalries between other legions other than SW and DA... And the contempt for the behavior of such legions. ie. the butchery of the WorldEaters, the barbarism of the Space Wolves, the secrecy of the Alpha Legion or the Night Lords terror tactics. These insights would add a bit more details into the primarch's own views of their brothers about number 1. i thought all primarchs had a permenant seat on the governing body of the Imperium. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2602566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Okay, not exactly a book in its own right but a couple of things I think need better coverage in HH novels: 1: The opinions and objections of the Primarchs when they learn that they will not be on the rulling council even though they've spent all this time on the War council. Who thinks its a bad idea? Who feels dumped on? and who believes its the way forward? 2: The rivalries between other legions other than SW and DA... And the contempt for the behavior of such legions. ie. the butchery of the WorldEaters, the barbarism of the Space Wolves, the secrecy of the Alpha Legion or the Night Lords terror tactics. These insights would add a bit more details into the primarch's own views of their brothers about number 1. i thought all primarchs had a permenant seat on the governing body of the Imperium. WLK They don't they did not have a seat on the council and of all the Primarchs Guilliman may have been a High Lord. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2602594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Decimus Posted December 31, 2010 Author Share Posted December 31, 2010 I believe it was either in the "Horus Rising" book, or in other fluff where one of the primarchs (Horus, Fulgrim, Russ, etc) who expressed disappointment at not being a part of the ruling of the imperium especially seeing as it was they who fought so hard and long to build it. Dont quote me though as I cant be exact, but that was the general jist of it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2603143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 okay, were they High Lords after the Heresy? or do i just have my wires crossed? WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2603320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 After the Heresy. Read Collected Visions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2603353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 After the Heresy. Read Collected Visions. I have. many times. I just mixed up details. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2603498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Decimus Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 yep, the High Lords came after the great heresy, according to "Visions Of Death" It says that during The Scouring (where loyalist were pushing the traitors back) the effort of which nearly exhausted the forces of Terra, the Imperium underwent fundamental changes, the light of the Astronomican was the Emperor now known to this Imperium and the Council of Terra reformed and became the High Lords of Terra Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2604120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Decimus Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 I was just looking through some 2nd edition artwork and came across a painting by Mark Gibbons and it got me thinking... Who here remembers "Kargos Bloodspitter"? Okay, so there wasnt any mention of him during the great heresy but seeing as he's wearing MkIII/Mk V power armour and the mark of Khorne (2nd edition rules say that models with the mark of Khorne their armour is sealed shut) Id say he was probably around during the war. Wouldnt mind reading about him in a novel :) He looks awesome! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2604126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 I was just looking through some 2nd edition artwork and came across a painting by Mark Gibbons and it got me thinking... Who here remembers "Kargos Bloodspitter"? Okay, so there wasnt any mention of him during the great heresy but seeing as he's wearing MkIII/Mk V power armour and the mark of Khorne (2nd edition rules say that models with the mark of Khorne their armour is sealed shut) Id say he was probably around during the war. Wouldnt mind reading about him in a novel :) He looks awesome! He was freaking rad. One of my favourite pieces of art. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2604135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 I too would like to see more form the World Eaters. I would love it to be the full story of Verran. I have for some time hoped he would be one of the Istvaan III Survivors. Would be nice if he was one of the ones with Tarvitz at the end. I think they will continue to steer away from the perspective of signature characters like Khârn. Verran has been apart of the lore for as long as Garro and Tarvitz so he should get his time in the light. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2605357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 I'd love to see a book on Imperial politics, but I doubt that would happen since it isn't about fighting or space marines. The novel would be about the bureaucrats and more specifically the Council of Terra and how they try to "grab power", not so much in the sense of a coup d'etat, but more as in how they try to increase their influence, especially with the absence of the Emperor. We could see them trying to downplay the role of the Primarchs and their Legions in the Imperium. Of course they have to be very careful, since these figures are the sons of the Emperor and all that. However, the idea of them trying to obtain more power is very interesting. It also makes Horus' doubts and part of the reason why he fell to Chaos a lot more interesting rather than "Word Bearers showed him an ugly picture and he went for it". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2605371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulse Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 I very much agree Malika - that sort of book would be very insightful although could pose a large problem to the authors with no politcal background so trying to think how things would work might be a struggle, although saying that it could be a collection of authors coming together to write one book, all melding ideas. A book like that is likely to annoy a lot of people, seeing old men that to be honest are not very useful making decisions that effect so many. Although not disimilar to politics today, trying to weedle around in politics in 40k is a whole new ball game. If they did try to downplay primarchs or Astartes or anything like the Inquisiton could see them in all sorts of trouble. It would definately be enteraining though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2605458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 How about a novel about how the alien races began to push back against the Imperium and create enclaves within the heartland of humanity's empire during the war. Perhaps featuring the origins of the Deathwatch if a handful of well equipped marines from multiple Legions were trapped on one world and were forced to hold off a massive invasion force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2605482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midgard Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 There is no reason a book involving 40K (pardon, 30K) politics has to have narrow appeal. After all, Frank Herbert's "Dune" has plenty of action and warfare, despite being primarily (in my opinion, at least) a book about politics. In fact, it could be corollary to "Mechanicum", with the events on Mars forcing an adjustment in the balance of power on Terra. Furthermore, with the Imperial Fists in the vicinity, it could have a major plot of Imperial Fists involvement on Mars with a few flashbacks to their earlier campaigns. Considering the limitations of the franchise (as in, the expectations the book buyers have for anything that has "Horus Heresy" in the title), politics could be an important part of the plot while the action-minded readers would still be satisfied by copious amounts of Imperial Fist action (perhaps against traitor Mechanicus of Mars?). To me, at least, it seems like a decent way to incorporate (and heavily focus on) politics into the Horus Heresy timeframe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2605484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 A book in the style of Dune would indeed be interesting, perhaps more skin to God Emperor of Dune or the two books following that one (I refuse to count that crap Herbert's son and that Scientology co-writer publish as having anything to do with Dune). Warfare could be in it, but is rather a secondary aspect in the books, the more important thing would be the political intrigue and the characters themselves. War would simply be a tool used, rather than the focus of the book. What about a book without any battle scenes in it? (an extra challenge, especially for a 40k book) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2605548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midgard Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 malika666: Realistically, I highly doubt that BL would publish a 40K/30K book with no battle scenes (and by battle scenes I mean combat, including single or small-scale combat, not just massive warfare). It is indeed possible to write a novel in the universe that does not involve any actual combat, with all fighting taking place "off-screen", but I doubt such novel would sell. After all, BL is in the business of catering to a specific demographic, and their target demographic wants a degree of action and violence in any book published by BL. Hence, it is only a realistic and intelligent business decision to maintain the elements that cater to that demographic, even when some novels ("The First Heretic", "Legion", "Prospero Burns" being major examples) do venture outside "there is only WAR!!!" theme of majority of BL's output and make stylistic forays outside the action/military SF genre. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2605571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'm still waiting for Imperial Fists novel. Sure, we see them here and there.... Horus Rising, The Flight of the Eisenstein, Mechanicum, Nemesis. They are important, they have their role, but they're still outside the main events. After Horus Rising Dorn became my favourite Primarch and I'd like to see a bit more of his Sons.... Yeah, I know.... Siege of Terra, Horus' battle barge, there will be IF, but it's so far away from now.... At least it looks that we'll see some IF action in Age of Darkness.... even if they're just punch-bags for Horus and his Sons.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2607490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I'm still waiting for Imperial Fists novel.Sure, we see them here and there.... Horus Rising, The Flight of the Eisenstein, Mechanicum, Nemesis. They are important, they have their role, but they're still outside the main events. After Horus Rising Dorn became my favourite Primarch and I'd like to see a bit more of his Sons.... Yeah, I know.... Siege of Terra, Horus' battle barge, there will be IF, but it's so far away from now.... At least it looks that we'll see some IF action in Age of Darkness.... even if they're just punch-bags for Horus and his Sons.... Have you checked out the Dark King, and the Lighting Tower? The short Blood Games, featuring the Custodes, Has Dorn in it also. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2607826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaurdian31 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 They also appear in Nemesis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2608759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 They also appear in Nemesis. Doesn't only Dorn appear in that? for all of two chapters? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2608781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 So far we've seen more Imperial Fist stuff than Ultramarines, Salamanders, White Scars and Blood Angels... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2608837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Decimus Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 I was just looking at Visions Of Death again... lol I noticed that the White Scars play an awesome role but before this there's not a lot. Would be cool to see a book about them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2610512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyros Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Novels that will come and are more or less confirmed:Age of Darkness - anthology The Outcast Dead - astropath + SM from traitor Legions on Terra, by Graham McNeill Deliverance Lost - probably something about Raven Guard, by Gav Thorpe ::unknown title:: - World Eaters book, by Aaron Dembski-Bowden? ::unknown title:: - Blood Angels on Signus Prime, by James Swallow ::unknown title:: - Iron Warriors book, by Graham McNeill? ::unknown title:: - Calth (possibly 2 books) ::unknown title:: - last part of Dark Angels trilogy? ::unknown title:: - Night Lords book, by Aaron Dembski-Bowden? If Dembski-Bowden can do the same thing with the World Eaters that he did with the Night Lords in "Soul Hunter" I'm gonna' show up on the mans doorstep and give the man a huge kiss on the forehead. Also looking forward for Swallow's next book. I have not read the Blood Angels books so I don't know why people look down on him but in my opinion "The flight of Einstein" was one of the best HH-novels up to date. And then for good maners we need another book on the Dark Angels to cast doubts on the Lion's loyalty. In "Fallen Angels" he seems to be a rock-hard imperialist but maybe once the power balance shift's against the Imperium he will start to negotiate with Horus about a place as warmaster for the new Emperor. He really seems like an opportunist in my eyes. And the odds surley is against the Imperium after Istvaan. 8 legions against 6 (Iron hands, Salamanders and Raven Guard are so depleted in numbers that they can't really be counted on) in witch the Blood Angels also have taken a beating. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2626863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000AD Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 1) Another Alpha Legion book 2) Blood Angels at Signus Prime 3) 3rd Dark Angels book 4) A book detailing the first contacts of Magnus, Mortarion and Angron with the respective gods. 5) 2 books on the White Scars Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2626905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roninman Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I want to read following: 1. White Scars - we will propably see them alot on Siege of Terra 2. Raven Guard - i believe Gav is already writing it? 3. World Eaters - has been almost too one dimensional Legion so far 4. Night Lords - want to know better what they were doing. Also when Konrad attacked Dorn, this was before Isstvaan? Really confused about this and want to know more 5. Iron Warriors - almost none of them seen so far 6. Titans - after reading Dan's exceptional Titanicus he could do something similar although different in 30k setting 7. Imperial army - They have been all time in backround on all this, there were literally i believe untold Billions of them involved in HH and would love to see book from normal human soldiers point of view around all this crazyness happening around 8. Tallarn - wasnt this biggest tankbattle happening during HH? some other too but they already been mentioned or confirmed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217549-possible-new-hh-novels-let-me-hear-your-ideas/page/4/#findComment-2629030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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