*Furyou Miko Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 This was brought up by my brother (who actually plays BA), and gained a thread over on Warseer when I brought it up with a friend. Over there, they decided it didn't work because you have to take options in a certain order or something like that... The Techmarine entry in the Blood Angel codex says that you can swap "servo arm" for a jump pack or upgrade it to a servo harness. The description of the Servo Harness in the BA book says it "give you an extra servo arm", plus the pistols etc. My brother contends that you could (though probably shouldn't) take the Servo Harness, then upgrade one of your two Servo Arms (because it 'gives you an extra', not 'counts as two') into a jump pack... and end up with a Jump Pack, a Servo ARm, a twin-llinked Plasma Pistol, a Flamer, and +1 to your Blessings roll. He then contends in the second part that because it doesn't specify "the techmarine can" on this option, and the Servitors are part of the unit (unlike in the standard Marine codex), this option is also available to the servitors. What are the B&C's thoughts on this matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Normish Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 I'm no Blood Angels player, but given your description here, and if your rule book transcription is correct, I see no problem with this. No doubt however, some erudite Son of Sanguinius will come to admonish my heresy, but I say this is valid, inasmuch as I can tell. Incredibly cheesy and pushing the rule to the limit, but playable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Not having the Blood Angels Codex to hand, I think the idea is ridiculous and impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient god Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Tell your brother "NO, NO, NO!!" and hit him with a rolled-up newspaper if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 If he converts it well, let him. If not, then don't let him. At all. Whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 Sorry, just to clarify: He's not trying to do it, he thinks it's a blatantly ridiculous idea. He's just pointing out that it works by RAW... and I'm getting a second opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Convert it and post pictures. This could be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erasmus of Baal Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 This is reminding me of the Blood Champion arguments. I don't like it, but if you're doing the conversion work, then go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evileyevirtue Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 I'm going to say no, not only because it's a blatant RAW loop hole (I really hate people who try to abuse rules) but also because of the following logic: Yes, it says you may exchange a servo-arm for a jump pack and also as a separate entry that you may upgrade a servo-arm to a servo-harness. If you take the upgrade for the servo-harness, this changes your tech's wargear entry to servo-harness which is not listed as being upgradable. Now yes, the harness entry does say it gives him an extra servo-arm, however it lists specifically what a servo-harness is, to the letter. Since his wargear listing is changed in the first place when you buy the harness, you cannot change it because it is no longer an item listed as being upgradable. Also, since the servo-harness entry explicitly states what a servo-harness is, you cannot alter what goes on the servo-harness simply because of the flying space marine shooting lasers out of his eyes rule. If it doesn't explicitly tell you that you may exchange a servo-arm from a different wargear entry, you simply can't do it. Now granted, as we all should know by now, GW's wording is worse than a 3rd graders, but still, common sense should hold valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 I am really torn on this one...as its written you can do it...butI kind of agree with Evil's logic on this. It doesnt give a "when you swap the items out" it just states that you can swap servo arm for jump pack. It doesnt say "the" which would mean the one the techmarine comes with. Fluff wise it kind of makes sense that he would still have a servo arm even with a jump pack. The wording in the harness section simply states it gives him an additional servo arm, not replacing his current wargear ( base servo arm ) at all. this is honestly a tough one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Servo harness /= servo arm Servo harness = servo harness Ignore what the description of the harness is. The fact is it is a different piece of wargear that is not the same as a servo arm. You may exchange "a servo arm" for a jump pack. You may upgrade a servo arm to a servo-harness. As a result at any one time you either have a servo-arm or a servo-harness. As support to this interpretation, there is no definite/indefinite article or possessive pronoun used before "servo arm" in the listing of the swap - meaning the intention is to swap the entire servo arm out, or upgrade the entire servo arm to a servo-harness This naming convention I see as being similar to honour guard upgrade characters that cant purchase gear. Those are my thoughts anywho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judaz Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Servo harness /= servo arm Servo harness = servo harness Ignore what the description of the harness is. The fact is it is a different piece of wargear that is not the same as a servo arm. You may exchange "a servo arm" for a jump pack. You may upgrade a servo arm to a servo-harness. As a result at any one time you either have a servo-arm or a servo-harness. As support to this interpretation, there is no definite/indefinite article or possessive pronoun used before "servo arm" in the listing of the swap - meaning the intention is to swap the entire servo arm out, or upgrade the entire servo arm to a servo-harness This naming convention I see as being similar to honour guard upgrade characters that cant purchase gear. Those are my thoughts anywho. Yeah, what Mort said. For once me and mort have the exact same opinion. Weird. Must be a bug. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 the thing i am looking at is in the wargear section, and the description of a harness. Thats why I am a bit iffy on it...though i do lean more to the no simply because it does not say "exchange "A" servo arm..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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