Lemartes vs Reclusiarch

[Dark Legionnare]

I was and have been, since the release of our Codex, a guy who chooses the Reclusiarch. However, I have played my last 4 games fielding Lemartes with my Death Company. There was a thread a while back where I defended both Lemartes and the Reclusiarch, but favored the latter for his customization and ability to leave the squad. I have found that for only 5 more points than the Reclusiarch I get a far more deadly CQC unit. I scoffed at Lemartes' base 2 attacks and only 2 wounds.

 

Using Lemartes lately however has changed my mind and rescind that scoffing. Throwing one wound on him to make his unbound fury activate is deadly, and I mean it! Going to base 5 attacks and 5 Strength means that on a charge he gets 7 attacks and at Strength 6 Initiative 7 with re-rolls to wound and hit, that's almost a complete guarantee he'll do amazing damage! "Good Lord' I said as he tore through Space Wolves, Plague Marines, Orks, and Dark Eldar(Not in the same game). The base 5 attacks means he also has a guaranteed 6 power weapon attacks in the enemies Assault phase.

 

In my most recent game he personally, I know because he struck first in the combat because of high Initiative, slew 16 Plague Marines in 3 full game turns. All the while the DC chewed up all the other remaining 14.

 

My favorite part by far... BY FAR! Is that he is not an Independent Character. Good lord yes... Being able to dish out blows like an IC without having to be in base contact, or singled out on the counter attack, is amazing. He just blends in with the normal Death Company Marines and melts through the enemy.

 

I could go on for paragraphs and paragraphs, lauding Lemartes and his recent deeds, but when it all comes down to it you can consider me a changed man. My HQ is now a Librarian with Shield and Fear of Darkness, and Lemartes pairs up with the DC to make a 7 man death star unit that melts squads, beasts, furries, and frail space elves. I am converted from a Reclusiarch user to the black faith of Chaplain Lemartes.

[igotsmeakabob!!]

If you're using a Storm Raven, a Lemartes Death Star unit (him and 7-10 DC) is awesome.

Otherwise, Reclusiarch.

[TheHarrower]

I've always taken the Reclusiarch myself. I figure I would only take Lemartes if I was giving the Death Company Jump Packs, and that always seemed too expensive to me. Maybe next game I'll give him a try and go for the Librarian as my HQ instead.

[igotsmeakabob!!]

I would never give Death Co. Jump Packs. I could rationalize 35pts a model back when they had Rending. Now I have to pay for weapons on top of a 35pt jump pack model... no thanks.

 

The Reclusiarch is quite a nice squad leader.

[Drachnon]

I don't have my codex at hand but for some reason I always thought that I needed to equip the DC with jump packs before you could pick Lemartes. Was I wrong in thinking this? Cause if I was I might have to look into fielding a death company with lemartes in a stormraven.

[Quixus]

Nope you only need DC. their equipment is irrelevant. Attached to DC without JPs though Lemartes is just carrying a lot of dead weight. Not so sure about difficult/dangerous terrain test though. Would Lemartes check separately?

[BOBMAKENZIE]

Nope you only need DC. their equipment is irrelevant. Attached to DC without JPs though Lemartes is just carrying a lot of dead weight. Not so sure about difficult/dangerous terrain test though. Would Lemartes check separately?

 

If he jumped into the terrain but he can choose to walk alll the time. It might come up if he could become broken.

[Quixus]

What I meant was what happens if the DC walk through difficult/dangerous terrain but do not begin or end their move in it?

 

BTW Why would jump infantry ever move as regular infantry, except for weird add-ons like Lemartes on footslogging DC? I can't see any drawback from flying around.

[Drachnon]

No tests for landing in difficult terrain.

[Quixus]

However, if a moving jump infantry model begins or ends its move in diffcult terrain, it must make a dangerous terrain test.

[BOBMAKENZIE]

What I meant was what happens if the DC walk through difficult/dangerous terrain but do not begin or end their move in it?

 

BTW Why would jump infantry ever move as regular infantry, except for weird add-ons like Lemartes on footslogging DC? I can't see any drawback from flying around.

 

Thats abit of a complex question there. The easiest answer is that if they are walking through difficult terrain doesnt matter cause Lemartes is just going to be moving the same speed as them and wont end up in the difficult. And if they are moving through dangerous...then I dont really know what to tell you. I dont think it would be much of a stretch to say you could ignore the one for Lemartes. Of course it could be an an easy way to put a wound on him so he gets angry.

 

as above. No Dangerous Tests. Something like a Captain who can join a foot slogging squad would need to. Argueably stuff like Tempest of Wrath or whatever its called in the Wolf Book depending on your opponent. If you want to move into a mid level of a building (unless they changed that?)

[MrBlack]

A Jump Infantry IC in a squad of normal Infantry moves like them and may not use his Jump Pack. He does not take Dangerous Terrain tests for moving through Difficult.

 

Also, to an above poster, yes, you do take Dangerous Terrain tests for both leaving and entering terrain.

[BOBMAKENZIE]

Also, to an above poster, yes, you do take Dangerous Terrain tests for both leaving and entering terrain.

 

But only once in a phase.

[TheMouth]

I try to take LeMartes when ever I can , simply for the fluff. As well as his " i am angry at you chaps. " rule, and he has fleet, which can be a big game changer vs any other HQ/Chaplain.

[The_son_of_Dorn]

Martes all the way, authority that is matched only by DANTE'S IS ALWAYS A BIG PLUS! and simply because yeah he does blend with dc and cut through enemy like a knife through air.

 

but this isnt an easy choice to make. Always depends on your personal load out.

[igotsmeakabob!!]

Also, to an above poster, yes, you do take Dangerous Terrain tests for both leaving and entering terrain.

 

But only once in a phase.

Ah, where does it say this in the BRB? I need it for an upcoming game with Wolves.

[Morticon]

If you're using a Storm Raven, a Lemartes Death Star unit (him and 7-10 DC) is awesome.

Otherwise, Reclusiarch.

 

 

This.

 

 

Nothing much more for me to add there.

There is no ways I will play (pay for) DC with Jump Packs.

With a Storm Raven this is the only way to go.

 

Otherwise its a Reclusiarch with the DC in a rhino.

 

It really depends on points for me though. If im short of points, ill happily drop him to a regular chappy.

[igotsmeakabob!!]

You'll save even more points by not buying the Storm Raven! :)

[Quixus]

It's abit off-topic, but what's so good about JP troops in a Storm Raven? I know that it's the only vehicle that can take them but, 12 models isn't that much already and halving this capacity because of the jump packs doesn't seem so great. What about 10 footslogging DC, Reclusiarch/Lemartes and a Sanguinary Priest. That sounds pretty much like a Deathstar to me.

[Morticon]

It's abit off-topic, but what's so good about JP troops in a Storm Raven? I know that it's the only vehicle that can take them but, 12 models isn't that much already and halving this capacity because of the jump packs doesn't seem so great. What about 10 footslogging DC, Reclusiarch/Lemartes and a Sanguinary Priest. That sounds pretty much like a Deathstar to me.

 

Its not so much Jump Pack units in the SR - its just Lemartes. See, theres no restriction or rule against taking lemmy (with the JP) but sloggin DC. So, unless theyre foot slogging, the only way to get that kind of squad around is in the Raven.

 

You'll save even more points by not buying the Storm Raven! :)

 

10 DC packs price is 150 points. So the 50 points you "save" goes into getting a hardcore shooty support unit that can deliver a death dealing choppy unit.

[Morticon]

I try to take LeMartes when ever I can , simply for the fluff. As well as his " i am angry at you chaps. " rule, and he has fleet, which can be a big game changer vs any other HQ/Chaplain.

 

No fleet for Lemartes bro.

[Dark Legionnare]

I try to take LeMartes when ever I can , simply for the fluff. As well as his " i am angry at you chaps. " rule, and he has fleet, which can be a big game changer vs any other HQ/Chaplain.

 

No fleet for Lemartes bro.

 

Morticon speaks the truth. Neither Lemartes nor the Death Company have fleet.

[igotsmeakabob!!]

You'll save even more points by not buying the Storm Raven! ;)

 

10 DC packs price is 150 points. So the 50 points you "save" goes into getting a hardcore shooty support unit that can deliver a death dealing choppy unit.

Nah, nah, you misunderstood me :).

My second comment in the thread was that I would *never* use JP DC...

 

It really depends on points for me though. If im short of points, ill happily drop him to a regular chappy.

I meant that you'll save even more points (after dropping Lemmy to a chappy) by ditching the Storm Raven and getting a rhino!

[TheMouth]

I try to take LeMartes when ever I can , simply for the fluff. As well as his " i am angry at you chaps. " rule, and he has fleet, which can be a big game changer vs any other HQ/Chaplain.

 

No fleet for Lemartes bro.

 

Morticon speaks the truth. Neither Lemartes nor the Death Company have fleet.

 

 

I meant fearless....I really should not read other codexs while posting. Thanks for the correction!!

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I never use DC anymore. Back when a squad could consolidate into another unit and DC could be controlled by a Chaplain they were a staple unit for me. They are still good in a Stormraven but I'd rather run another unit which is more survivable after they toast a unit.

 

G :)